Undertale Fan Dream Come True? Mid-Godly? Let me cook.

[Eficiente]

For the Flowey part. Its a flower so it should even have a Mind but it gained a Mind because of DT

That's an assumption, how could DT grant his mind back if "the Mind aspect" is only in the SOUL? And how can humans choose to LOAD themselves back in time after dying if they can die by having their SOULs shattered away?

 

[ShionAH]

That's an assumption, how could DT grant his mind back if "the Mind aspect" is only in the SOUL?

So by your logic Flowey as a Flower had a mind-?

He didnt have a soul nor mind but after gaining DT he suddenly gained a Mind. Which is completely possible.

And how can humans choose to LOAD themselves back in time after dying if they can die by having their SOULs shattered away?

It can mean a lot of stuff. It may be done passively by their DT, It may be done because of their essence or concept being able to choose, it can be a lot of things.

 

[Eficiente]

That's an assumption

To be clear, this is like it's most pieces of media; You can have your soul have your "mind" & act as you, but that doesn't mean that's where your "mind" always is, it simply means that your "mind" can be in your soul. You don't have the necessary evidence to claim that SOULs always hold the mind, you overblow the meaning of the evidence you have.

So by your logic Flowey as a Flower had a mind-?

He didnt have a soul nor mind but after gaining DT he suddenly gained a Mind. Which is completely possible.

Explain what you mean by "Flowey as a Flower had a mind-?" because that doesn't make any sense, explain how you use my logic to get there.

Explain how it's "completely possible" w/o being a contradiction.

It can mean a lot of stuff. It may be done passively by their DT, It may be done because of their essence or concept being able to choose, it can be a lot of things.

You're running on wild, nonsensical speculation:

It may be done passively by their DT

Choosing by their own free will isn't something passive, it's something they actively do, which is the opposite. You just jump into saying that to fit what you want.

It may be done because of their essence or concept being able to choose

"being able to choose" is the quality of the mind, you have no reason to not call this their minds but call all the other "evidence" you use being the characters' minds.

it can be a lot of things.

No, you're making up excuses instead of going with the most logical take that takes the least amount of speculation.

 

[ShionAH]

You seem pretty angry after the incident so I doubt I can make you agree

Close this thread, thanks

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean I disagree with mind being involved with SOULs anyway...

 

[Eficiente]

You seem pretty angry after the incident so I doubt I can make you agree

Close this thread, thanks

I'm not angry. I explained things firmly and took some educated guesses that had reasons to be there. One can make me agree if they defend their points, but you not only not don't, you imply that it's not even possible to make me agree because I "seem pretty angry". You don't have any reason to say that, it's just the first thing you felt and it's completely petty. I know what "the incident" is but you have no reason to speculate that to relate to my comments here, it takes you 0 effort to do so & be wrong, whereas I would have done the same comments any day of the year.

 

[ShionAH]

Sure buddy. Now please close this CRT since its not needed

 

[Eficiente]

Don't just act disinterested, do you acknowledge the mistakes I pointed out?

 

[ShionAH]

Don't just act disinterested, do you acknowledge the mistakes I pointed out?

What do you mean? After thinking about it more I believe its a pretty controversial thing and I dont have enough intrest to continue it

 

[Eficiente]

I meant the casual discredit to another w/o the reasons to back that up. Either way, that's something, I'm gonna close this now.