Reinhard Van Astrea vs Satoru Gojo (11-8-1)

[Phoenks]

If you want I will ask some staff to come here and clarify.

I've asked a few people off site already and all have agreed it's infinite distance, not space.

 

[SubaruN2000]

I still haven't seen any arguments against Reinhard regaining DP mind changing and changing Gojos mind about having infinity passively on. In which case, infinity will no longer be an issue. For domain expansion, Reinhards got resistence mind hax and for hollow purple hes got DP arrow avoidance. Don't see why Reinhard shouldn't win.

 

[Phoenks]

If they can't prove that infinity is infinite space then there is absolutely no reason a blade that cuts through space can not cut through the space between Gojo and his opponent, which is very clearly finite.

 

[Zabazab]

I still think this is a stomp, but if Gojo supporters disagree that this is a stomp in Reinhard's favour then yeah Reinhard wins with extreme comfort

 

[Dr._whiteee]

This looks like a conceptually infinite distance, not space.

It says he tweaks the concepts of near and far. These are terms of distance, not space.

There is nothing in this picture that implies what you're saying.

Phoenks, read the last paragraph. It specifically states his technique would not work in regular finite space, but in his infinite space it is possible.

You could also read the thread where this was passed. There is no need to call staff to ask because this is the basic and well-known foundation of Gojo's ability.

 

[Phoenks]

Phoenks, read the last paragraph. It specifically states his technique would not work in regular finite space, but in his infinite space it is possible.

You could also read the thread where this was passed. There is no need to call staff to ask because this is the basic and well-known foundation of Gojo's ability.

I will create a CRT to revert this change because it is blatantly not space, but distance.

The last paragraph again, does not support what you're claiming.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

I still haven't seen any arguments against Reinhard regaining DP mind changing and changing Gojos mind about having infinity passively on. In which case, infinity will no longer be an issue. For domain expansion, Reinhards got resistence mind hax and for hollow purple hes got DP arrow avoidance. Don't see why Reinhard shouldn't win.

I already explained to you that mind hax isn't going to help with DE, it's not regular mind hax.

And the person above outlined it as being disingenuous to state he could resist infinite information based on the example posited for him having resistance.

As for him avoiding purple, he probably could do with no DE but he isn't dodging it within a domain.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

I will create a CRT to revert this change because it is blatantly not space, but distance.

The last paragraph again, does not support what you're claiming.

Go ahead, there is literally a whole 15 page explanation where it is stated multiple times that he creates an infinity space. Plus, it literally states it in the panel I provided.

For the time being, your argument isn't flying though.

 

[SubaruN2000]

I already explained to you that mind hax isn't going to help with DE, it's not regular mind hax.

Even if you wanna go the angle that his resistance to mind hax via Sirius Authority or Satellas miasma wouldn't translate to resisting Gojos DE, Rein can't be affected by any debuffs anyway, which would include being paralyzed by infinite information, since that is technically a "debuff".

As for him avoiding purple, he probably could do with no DE but he isn't dodging it within a domain.

Arrow avoidance is not dodging, it changes the trajectory of all long ranged attacks.

I would also like to add that Reinhard has passive power null via passive mana absorption. By energy equalization, mana = curse energy.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Even if you wanna go the angle that his resistance to mind hax via Sirius Authority or Satellas miasma wouldn't translate to resisting Gojos DE, Rein can't be affected by any debuffs anyway, which would include being paralyzed by infinite information, since that is technically a "debuff".

Uhm I'd have to have you link me the scans of his ability, a debuff is a technique which manipulates statistics, Reinhard not having the capability to process infinite information and being paralyzed as a result of his brain being overloaded doesn't qualify as a debuff unless his ability literally manipulates causality to not allow him to be affected.

Arrow avoidance is not dodging, it changes the trajectory of all long ranged attacks.

Yeah, that won't work in a domain because subjective reality makes it so that all techniques hit 100% of the time. So he'd need to be able to bypass Law manipulation and subjective reality.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

To assert there’s a distinction between space and distance is… certainly one of the most… VSBW-like opinions I’ve ever seen.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Rein can't be affected by any debuffs anyway, which would include being paralyzed by infinite information, since that is technically a "debuff".

No, is not techinically a debuff, overlording you brain with information don't count as a debuff, and Rein resistance don't covers that.

 

[SubaruN2000]

No, is not techinically a debuff, overlording you brain with information don't count as a debuff, and Rein resistance don't covers that.

Debuffs in Re: Zero could in the form of Yin magic, would includes things like Shamak which impares senses and El shamak which disrupts control of ones body. I think gojos ability can qualify as a debuff in those circumstances.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Debuffs in Re: Zero could in the form of Yin magic, would includes things like Shamak which impares senses and El shamak which disrupts control of ones body. I think gojos ability can qualify as a debuff in those circumstances.

If it’s not an infinities (plural) amount of Type 2 Info & Type 3 CM, he dies.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Distance =/= space.

 

[Zabazab]

Because that's a unique situation to make possible

I don't think that Wrath overloading Subaru with fear and killing him is particularly unique, she just played tennis with his and Lusbel's fear to multiply it to infinity. All she needs to do that is 2 or more people, and there was an entire crowd present (That she later multiplied the anger of in order to goad Reinhard into killing her).

This form of reflecting emotions back and forth and forcing it onto people is the basis of her mind control for example, I like to call it emotional multiplication.

Uhm I'd have to have you link me the scans of his ability, a debuff is a technique which manipulates statistics, Reinhard not having the capability to process infinite information and being paralyzed as a result of his brain being overloaded doesn't qualify as a debuff unless his ability literally manipulates causality to not allow him to be affected.

Here is the scan for Reinhard's debuff immunity:

Divine Blessing of Magic Resistence: The holder is immune against curses, and debuffs like yin magic. Though the holder is able to get buffed by yang magic or any other magic.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I am enjoying this thoroughly

Anyways from what i can see the main arguements are that
1, Reinhard can't resist DE
i disagree with that. So first of all if Sirius would have wanted to kill Reinhard, she would have absolutely tried infinite amp. Reinhard obviously wasn't affected by this. This is also backed up by him having statements of being unaffected by debuffs, which again means that he wont be paralyzed
2. So lets assume that purple automatically goes towards his direction and tries to hit him via subjective reality. How exactly will it not change direction when put up against him? If i am not wrong then the Domain only allows the users attacks to always land but in this case all projectiles are fated to miss him. Thats like putting an undtoppable force against an immovable object.
3, anyways none of that matters, Reinhard has his godly intuition which tells him know what to do to win perfectly in a battle and Gojo has no reliable way of putting him down permanently especially with his infinite stamina and resurrection. I am still not convinced that Gojo's infinity can stop Reinhard and even if it could, Reinhard can gain the mind dp hax. And lets assume on the off chance that he doesn't think about getting it, he still has Lilianas blessing which allows him to easily convince his opponent to do whatever he wants. Not to mention this dp can apparently fight off Sirius's authority which basically gurantees Reinhards victory since Gojo does not have any resistance to that.

 

[Zabazab]

It's worth noting that the Blessing of Mind-Changing is thought-based, and does not require conversation with the target nor an effective range.

 

[SubaruN2000]

Its been a while since I've seen JJK so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't DE require curse energy output to use in the first place. If so Rein has passive power null, as I highlighted above, so Gojo wouldn't even be able to use it in that case. The power null is technically mana absorption, but under energy equalization it would be curse energy absorption too.

 

[Zabazab]

I'm not sure the energy systems are similar enough to be equalized in that way.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Reinhard Van Astrea (RZ) fra

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Voting Reinhard as well. I also agree with the space cutting countering infinity

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Space cutting cutting ******* concepts?

 

[PhantomØ4]

The resultant space is not conceptual, it’s still space. It’s like making a normal ass fireball from the concept of fire itself.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Vote counted. One more to grace

 

[JaaNoLimitttt]

Kalian penyangkalan, apa pun yang saya jelaskan, Anda terus memaksa Reinhard untuk memotong ruang, padahal percuma Infinity memiliki ukuran tak terhingga jika hanya memotong ruang saja tidak cukup untuk melewati Infinity.

I don't see how what I'm saying is a lie.

Space is 3-Dimensional. And we can clearly see that Gojo is not making an infinite amount of 3-D space.

He is inserting an infinite amount of points within a finite amount of space around his body, creating an infinite distance between a finite amount of space.

Distance =/= space.

Distance is a line drawn from point A to point B.

Space is the volume of an object based on it's coordinates throughout multiple axes.

You make me laugh.

 

[JaaNoLimitttt]

So.. this thread actually contains re zero supporters who are quite denial, even though I have explained, but they still refuse, if in fact Reinhard cannot pass Infinity Gojou, I will not follow this thread further, Thanks....

 

[PhantomØ4]

Copium was so strong he had to unfollow.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Why dude isn't counting Gojo's votes lmao

 

[Fezzih_007]

Why dude isn't counting Gojo's votes lmao

I think one Guy voted for Gojo lol.

I am enjoying this thoroughly

Anyways from what i can see the main arguements are that
1, Reinhard can't resist DE
i disagree with that. So first of all if Sirius would have wanted to kill Reinhard, she would have absolutely tried infinite amp. Reinhard obviously wasn't affected by this. This is also backed up by him having statements of being unaffected by debuffs, which again means that he wont be paralyzed

Yeah no, ignoring the fact that the infinity emotional thing is not the same or even comparable to the Gojo Unlimeted Void to say that Reinhard resist, Sirius never tried to do against Reinhard, she uses her authority to Manipulate everyone in the crowd to make them feel angry, and make Reinhard kill her so she can kill everyone else on the crowd by transfering her Death to them.

You gonna have to prove that she did try to kill Reinhard with the Infinite amp of emotions, which she din't.

And no, that's not a debuff.

2. So lets assume that purple automatically goes towards his direction and tries to hit him via subjective reality. How exactly will it not change direction when put up against him? If i am not wrong then the Domain only allows the users attacks to always land but in this case all projectiles are fated to miss him. Thats like putting an undtoppable force against an immovable object.

I guess they cancel each other, so Reinhard would need to dodge.

3, anyways none of that matters, Reinhard has his godly intuition which tells him know what to do to win perfectly

What blessinv you talking about?

in a battle and Gojo has no reliable way of putting him down permanently especially with his infinite stamina and resurrection.

He don't need to kill Reinhard to Win.

I am still not convinced that Gojo's infinity can stop Reinhard and even if it could, Reinhard can gain the mind dp hax.

Which he don't use in-character.

And lets assume on the off chance that he doesn't think about getting it, he still has Lilianas blessing which allows him to easily convince his opponent to do whatever he wants.

Also never uses in-character.

Not to mention this dp can apparently fight off Sirius's authority which basically gurantees Reinhards victory since Gojo does not have any resistance to that.

What that have to do with anything?

This matchup would work surprisingly well

No, It does not.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think one Guy voted for Gojo lol.

Yeah no, ignoring the fact that the infinity emotional thing is not the same or even comparable to the Gojo Unlimeted Void to say that Reinhard resist, Sirius never tried to do against Reinhard, she uses her authority to Manipulate everyone in the crowd to make them feel angry, and make Reinhard kill her so she can kill everyone else on the crowd by transfering her Death to them.

You gonna have to prove that she did try to kill Reinhard with the Infinite amp of emotions, which she din't.

Fair, although i can argue that her not trying to use her authority to infinitely amp and kill Reinhard that way is weird when her goal was to find Petelgeuse and not die. In fact, we even see her trying to escape numerous times during the fight. Its a logical conclusion to come to when you think about the context of the situation.

And no, that's not a debuff.

Being paralysed is definitely a debuff

I guess they cancel each other, so Reinhard would need to dodge.

Yeah

What blessinv you talking about?

Its not a blessing, Reinhard has godly instincts that tell him the best method to act in a given situation. Its good enough to practically be able to answer every question of any level in a non mcq test which would mean he has access to the perfect solution to any given situation. Considering that its not unusual to think he did go for mind haxes available to him.

He don't need to kill Reinhard to Win.

True, but can you give me an example

Which he don't use in-character.

Also never uses in-character.

Actually in arc 5 he did gain it but he didnt need to use it as Liliana went instead of him and he was tasked wirh Regulus, as mentioned above his godly instincts will probably atleast give him a general idea that brute forcing would probably be useless in this case, so its likely he would go for some other way likely mind haxing.

This is also assuming that Reinhard actually cant cut through infinity, which he can in fact do and this is just another wincon he has at his disposal

What that have to do with anything?

Its multi layered, though yeah thats not really necessary as Gojo doesnt even resist the dp baseline

 

[Fezzih_007]

Yeah, i gonna vote inco here, Reinhard can't really hit Gojo because of the infinity, and Gojo can't tag Reinhard too because of the blessings to give the mind **** of his.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Counted

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Voting Gojo.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Counted

 

[Greatsage13th]

I mean . . .

Reid, an inferior sword saint, could cut through Type 2 concepts.

Pegasus previously said that Reinhard shouldn't scale to that.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

voting Gojo since this is blatantly a bad faith thread.

 

[Greatsage13th]

voting Gojo since this is blatantly a bad faith thread.

I mean...there is not much kaisen supporters on this thread. Had there been more i believe it would have been more even.

 

[Zabazab]

If his sword cannot cut through Gojo, then he will immediately believe a different tactic is necessary, at which point he will recieve the Blessing of Mind-Changing, which he can use to make Gojo turn off infinity or even just give up the fight. Reinhard's godlike intuition just makes this more likely than not imo.

Purple can't hit him let alone kill him due to Blessing of First Sight & Blessing of Second Sight making him auto-dodge every attack + Arrow Avoidance making all ranged attacks miss. And the whole Blessing of the Phoenix endless resurrections thing- "Even if you defeat me, a second and third me will appear."

I still think the fact that Reinhard already naturally resists layered mind hax that functions on the same basis as Unlimited Void- by forcing things upon your senses and into your mind, even to an endless degree, should give him resistence to it, whether you want to say he could hold out forever or not (he probably could not).

 

[Fezzih_007]

Since his sword cannot cut through Gojo, then he will immediately believe a different tactic is necessary, at which point he will recieve the Blessing of Mind-Changing

1- Reinhard never uses this blessing in-character because he gather told him to not do so.
2- There's no reason to assume he would get this blessing, he could get any other, or not get any at all.
3- That's not even on the profile as a pontiatialy ability he can have.

Purple can't hit him let alone kill him due to Blessing of First Sight & Blessing of Second Sight making him auto-dodge every attack + Arrow Avoidance making all ranged attacks miss.

In the profile:

In addition to this deadly impact, like most Domain Expansions, it guarantees a 100% hit rate and provides an enormous boost to the user's Cursed Techniques.

So they both cancel each other out, so Reinhard would need to relay on his speed to dodge.

And the whole Blessing of the Phoenix endless resurrections thing- "Even if you defeat me, a second and third me will appear."

Sure, sure, sure

I still think the fact that Reinhard already naturally resists layered mind hax that functions on the same basis as Unlimited Void

It does not, i already explain why

- by forcing things upon your senses and into your mind

Feeding you brain with Infinite information in 0.2 seconds and make someone feel Infinite of one emotion under a few seconds is way different, and Reinhard never resisted any of that.

, even to an endless degree, should give him resistence to it, whether you want to say he could hold out forever or not (he probably could not).

Yeah, Reinhard can't resist Unlimeted Void.