Regarding Tiers in Undertale

[MarvelFanatic119]

Looking back on the game, I think we should upgrade Frisk to 2-A. Mainly because in the battle against Asriel, despite not being able to hurt him, they were able to use their Determination to reach into Asriel's Soul and get their friends back( Sans, Papyrus, Undyne, Alyphs, Toriel and Asgore). Being only 2-B wouldn't be possible for them to do this as they would be far too weak to affect Asriel in any way. They can still be far weaker than Asriel but still be 2-A, given the range of 2-A reaches from 10^500 to an infinite number of universes. This was also Full Power Asriel too. Before they reached out to him so he wasn't drastically weaken and lost his will to fight. But if we do upgrade Frisk, we should also upgrade these characters:

The Player: Likely 2-A (Controls Frisk and Chara depending on the route they take)

Chara: Possibly 2-A (Stole and used Frisk's soul to destroy the game) At least 2-A for Post Genocide (Has both Frisk and the Player's Soul).

Though I could be wrong and unintentionally be wanking, sorry if that's the case. What do you guys think?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

2-B is from 1001 to 10^500, Marvel. 2-A is anyhing from 10^500 (or above it) to an infinite number of timelines/universes.....yeah?

Just to point out your mistake...

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Oh sorry, let me fix that.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Seems like Hax that ignores durability.

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Seems like it. But would that make Frisk 2-A via hax then? We have characters that are Tier 3 or Tier 2 via hax only. These two come to mind.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Hax that ignores durability isn't quantifiable. In the latter case they simply mentioned it affects characters of that level, but it doesn't make them that level of power themselves as they are still considered unknown. GER, though ignores durability, is not rated that high from ignoring an opponent's durability, but instead nullifying an attack, thus it scales.

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up. However, isn't it in Undertale that the power of a Human and Monster comes from their Soul? Especially Determination? Even if Frisk wasn't able to hurt Asriel, they still affected him and took several souls from him, despite being far more powerful. They were able to that against Asriel because their Determnation was powerful enough to do so at the time.

Well, even if Frisk and the others can't get the upgrade, can we mention that they (Frisk) have soul hax that affects 2-A beings? (Their stats can still be the same).

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Bump

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Anyone?

 

[Squid_peanut]

it would be less of Frisk using hax and more of Frisk just sort of talking to parts of him

 

[Ichwillpopcorn]

Frisk only managed to defeat Asriel because he still had a conscience and was lonely. Fighting against a soulless being, or a being at least as evil as Voldemort, he would get rekt. (DT aside)

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

I'm pretty sure Frisk will win unless the opponent is higher than 2-B, no way someone like Voldemort would win :/

 

[Ichwillpopcorn]

I'm pretty sure Frisk will win unless the opponent is higher than 2-B, no way someone like Voldemort would win :/

Even without the whole save stuff?

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Even without the whole save stuff?

Considering they have Multiverse level AP, Multiverse level+ Durability, and Immeasurable Speed, pretty darn sure. Not to mention making their Defense even higher (Hope) and create an item that will heal them (Dream) will pretty much make Frisk Solo Harry Potter.

 

[Ichwillpopcorn]

Considering they have Multiverse level AP, Multiverse level+ Durability, and Immeasurable Speed, pretty darn sure. Not to mention making their Defense even higher (Hope) and create an item that will heal them (Dream) will pretty much make Frisk Solo Harry Potter.

I didn´t really mean Voldemort specifically, I only used him for an example for a being with an irreparably corrupted soul. Besides, the stats are, for a nicer term, badly thought out.

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

I didn´t really mean Voldemort specifically, I only used him for an example for a being with an irreparably corrupted soul. Besides, the stats are, for a nicer term, badly thought out.

Tell that to Azathoth, he made those stats. Frisk was able to harm God Flowey (only slightly though) before the human souls helped them (Multiverse AP) .They tanked hits from Asriel (Multiverse+ Durability). They were able to keep up with Asriel and God Flowey when the latter was able to "Make your own space-time continuums and swapping them in and out to mess with the opponent while you yourself are unaffected by the change in basic time should be." ~Azathoth (Immeasurable Speed). If you don't like the stats of the God Tiers, talk to Azathoth about it.