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Regarding FTL Kaido
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PrinceofPein
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I think you should look up the meaning of "react in combat" and read this page thoroughlyThis? He still reacts to kizaru in front of him..
Speed
Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...
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Well luffy did know he was going to attack... But that still doesn't prove luffy can't react to his beam tho...I think you should look up the meaning of "react in combat" and read this page thoroughly
Speed
Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...
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Yes, besides, Luffy reacted to him as they said above, Kizaru kicking him, so ...
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I still lean towards agreeing with Tempest, but to be fair Damage has some really good points too.
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Why the **** are people using Haku???? Haku's stuff has never been accepted as Ls.
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Yeah I agree with you here.
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@Damage3245 is there anything wrong with the calc in the OP?
I'll continue this conversation in an alternate thread
I'll continue this conversation in an alternate thread
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Yes. That same calc for Rayleigh was removed from his profile before even when it was only Relativistic. Rayleigh first notices Kizaru's trajectory some panels before he even starts moving; we don't see when Rayleigh goes to intercept him but the calc currently assumes he didn't start moving until Kizaru was already travelling at the speed of light. Kizaru's transformation is clearly not instantaneous since we see particles coming off of him as he is dispering into light.
Rayleigh could have started moving before Kizaru was completely transformed, meaning he wouldn't even need to be as fast or faster than Kizaru to intercept him.
Also, this scene was calced earlier with values such as Relativistic and Relativistic+. I'll investigate a bit further to double-check whether the FTL result is even the most accurate, assuming the feat was valid.
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Would it be wrong if I started another CRT for my calc and some other ratings while the issue of the calculation gets discussed?
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Yeah that's seems like the way to go imo
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If you need to, but we did discuss the issue of Ichiji being FTL back in this thread with Cin.
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You guys are not making any sense. One thread at a time please. It is disrespectful to people waiting till one actually closes to bring up their own.
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This thread literally can't go on until the feat gets addressed
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One piece fans dont eat me I'm also a fan
I saw the pacifistas profile and it is "possibly Sol" for their beams, I also wish to start a CRT to address that, but I can't currently
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Doesn't this argument work against you as well? He was supposedly portrayed as FTL this one time, no one has done anything similar other than people who literally scale above him.
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Didn't know joke answers with hyperbolic statements were valid. Also, Luffy would only be Sub Relativistic if we use his dodging feat against Foxy. If we don't consider it aim dodging, that is.
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We do have FTL feats... gear 4th boundman moving faster then doflamingo could react or see... katakuri moving faster then luffy can react or see in the beginning and then luffy keeps up with him... katakuri easily defeats ichiji who is minimum light speed... and big mom who defeats Niji...
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This is not FTL.
This is not FTL.
We have no evidence that Ichiji was moving FTL when Katakuri defeated him.
Niji is lightspeed only with a certain technique.
Even if we had to accept Ichiji being FTL when he performed his Sparking Valkyrie technique, I do not believe that it should be scaling to anybody else for the time being. Especially not to half the verse.
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How are they not FTL when literally kaido did the same to luffy in wano?... both doflamingo and katakuri have observation haki...
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We do not know how Doflamingo's Observation scales to Luffy's.
There's no instance where Katakuri blitzes Luffy's reaction speed, only his combat speed. Maybe I'm wrong on that or Katakuri blitzed Luffy by the sheer number of attacks at the same time, I do not remember.
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For all we know, Usopp has better observation than Doflamingo does.
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You completely misinterpreted this statement.
And no one has done it because we don't have a lightspeed laser to outrun every page of the manga
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We do know that in the arc is where usopp actually unlocks observation haki so he is a beginner in that arc... We also know that doflamingo has better armament haki or conquerors haki then luffy...
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Katakuri intercept's luffy...
We also know that base and 2nd gear luffy couldn't keep up with doflamingo which would make doflamingo FTL and Doflamingo couldn't react to gear 4th Boundman
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None are FTL featKatakuri intercept's luffy...
We also know that base and 2nd gear luffy couldn't keep up with doflamingo which would make doflamingo FTL and Doflamingo couldn't react to gear 4th Boundman
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So how does luffy react to light like it's nothing with observation haki but cannot react to katakuri?....
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You know there's multiple factors at work, right? Like the fact that he's focusing on the Pacifista right in front of him; that the Pacifista is a fair distance away from him. A lot different to a close-quarters fight, and at a moment where Luffy is distracted from Katakuri.
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To be fair, Damage is right that there are multiple factors to those who tag Luffy, so everybody shouldn't hit FTL because of it.
But to be fair to MonkeyOfLife, Doflamingo goes FTE to Luffy a bunch of times.
Or what about the times Luffy reacted close range to light pre Haki? That should still work.
But to be fair to MonkeyOfLife, Doflamingo goes FTE to Luffy a bunch of times.
Or what about the times Luffy reacted close range to light pre Haki? That should still work.
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Are u sure u read the vs wiki speed tiering page?Luffy dodges light without looking at the px5 or expecting to be shot...
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If you can react to light speed but not react to a character would mean they move FTL not only that but luffy reacts to light very easily and calls them slow... Haki or not
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Read the vs wiki speed tiering page boss
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There is a problem to that Vegapunk Said his fruit was a failure so his Devil fruit is not up to par so his lasers should be worse
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Where couldn't find it?
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You're comparing creating a dragon to making a laser which was stated to be an exact replica.
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???what's that supposed to mean and where does it say that?
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