I just find this comment hilarious and ironic given that he used "its fiction" as a argument for them being skilled but not for them manipulating time.
That doesn't mean you have to accept an ability that doesn't exist in the lore.
John Marston already has experience with guns. When time slows down or stops you have time to aim better at the target and take your time to shoot, it doesn't make sense that the guy has to learn to aim better when he already has some accuracy and that he can slow down time to make it easier for him.
The game yes, not the lore of the game.The game also talks about eating to heal serious gunshot wounds and in it you can come back to life every time you die. That doesn't mean Arthur has Low-Mid regen or Type 4 immortality.
Arthur can survive being confronted by a bear with a knife, not with his bare hands and sheer strength.
This argument does not work when nothing points to the existence of this capacity. CIS or PIS exist can be taken into account yes, but if the Dead Eye is canon it makes RDR games full of it, and at this point it no longer makes any sense.
There's still no evidence of this in the lore. The argument from incredulity is just an argument that supports the non-existence of the Dead Eye.
Once again, the argument from unbelief is just a supporting argument.
This is a meaningless comment. The lore I'd apart of the game, the guidebook covers the game not the mechanics.
Irrelevant. He has experience but Rdr2 John is by far from the best shooter. Hence why he needed training from Landon, a legendary gunslinger from the era of Red Harlow. Getting trained by a legend will increase anyone's accuracy.
Time slowing down just adds more time for action. It does not help you when it comes to aiming accurately. Time can be slowed infinitely, doesn't mean you can magically hit targets with precision.
"Some accuracy." You just said it. John in Rdr2 doesn't have the best of accuracy, Arthur was still better along with other gunslingers because John in comparison is relatively young and not as experienced as the rest.
Your backtracking now. First of all, argument from disbelief is not supportive evidence in any way shape or form.
Whether he is the best shooter or not doesn't matter, he still has a shot, so if time slows down it would be easier for him to aim for several targets because he will have more time.
No, it's up to you to prove that it's not a gameplay mechanic, because the Dead Eye is already one by default because it's never mentioned or shown in the lore.
It does matter, accuracy is the main thing with firearms. Time slowing doesn't improve one's accuracy.
That's not how that works bud. You're the one who made the claim, ergo you need to prove it. I never made the claim here, you're the one making a claim therefore you need to prove it. Burden of proof falls onto you for starting off by making the claim. Don't shift shit onto me whenever you're the OP who made the claim in the first place.
That's not how defaults work. You can't assume it's a game mechanic despite it never being stated to be such or it never being shown in the game mechanics menu.
Very mature comment. This definitely isn't a result of you being upset over not having any agreements to which you've expressed being upset over already. Real mature of you.
If you have no experience with guns yes, but that's not the case for John.
It is, otherwise any other game mechanic would be canon, and in this case Arthur would have dimensional storage, Low-Mid regeneration and type 4 immortality.
How? Whether Arthur and John have time manipulation or not doesn't bother me, unless there is evidence to the contrary.
1: Arthur has regeneration via vials already.
It has mid-low regen, not low mid.
It's self fulfilling. The name is Dimensional Storage, it involves placing items into another dimension. Hence why the temr "Storage area" is used. Someone with a normal bag wouldn't get Dimensional Storage since that ability, as the name implies is the ability to store items in a different dimension.
Now your twisting words internationally here. Do yourself a favor and don't make comments like this, we can all see what your trying to do and it's honestly pathetic.But hey, if no mention in the lore is necessary to make an ability canon and the contradictions are not enough to remove it, I would do a crt to try to give Arthur all the abilities I mentioned above
You're the one who doesn't understand my point here.
Most characters with this ability have a normal sized storage and generally nothing explains how they can do this.
I fully understand, I just don't agree with them.
Nope, most characters with hammer space literally get them from somethings that's connected to another dimension allowing for a near endless inventory.
Arthur's bag isn't connected to another dimension, now get back to the topic instead of derailing.
What am I twisting?The Dead Eye is accepted because a game tip mentions it, so why wouldn't that be the case for other abilities like immortality types 3 and 4 or dimensional storage?
Reread the page:
You are right, I will make another topic on this subject if the dead eye is accepted
Don't act stupid please, we both know what you mean to do here.
No. It's accepted via the game tip stating time is slowed, almost the Guidebook statements from a canon source.
Because Arthur isn't an immortal. Being immortal is more so a state of existence, Arthur can still biological die hence why he has "healing." Instead of immortality. The extent of this heal doesn't cover dismemberment hence why it's rated as such.
I don't need to reread it. I'm fully aware of the ability, again it needs to be connected to another "space" or dimension for it to be dimensional storage. Arthur isn't placing shit in another dimension, and now i know for a fact that you are intentionally derailing.
Cool. Can't wait for it to get rejected.You are right, I will make another topic on this subject if the dead eye is accepted
That's what I said lol. The game tips also mention everything I said, so in your logic it's also canon.
There are several types of immortality. Type 3 immortality is regenerating from mortal wounds (which Arthur does in the game) and type 4 is being able to come back to life.
Having your organs hit by bullets and regenerating from that is low-mid regen, so it's type 3 immortality
It's also not said that Mary Poppins' bag is linked to another dimension, would that mean that the character has no dimensional storage? No. It's the same for many other characters.
Certain abilities that do not appear in a cutscene are sometimes either mentioned by characters or have a lore description, or both. The Dead Eye has none of the three.
I'm making comparisons to prove how stupid it is to accept the Dead Eye as canon.
Not really. Arthur never regenerates missing limbs or anything of the sorts. His bag isn't connected to a dimension. now stop derailing.
It regenerates from organ damage, so it's Type 3 immortality
His small bag contains dozens of objects, so it's enough to have dimensional storage according to the site's standards
Regenerating from organ damage isn't type 3 immortality. That's just healing which it already is.
Not really. Arthur's bag isn't connected to another dimension, simply being able to carry items isn't sufficient enough for Dimensional Storage. Now for the love of God stop clogging this thread up with unnecessary comments.
It is:
Mary Poppins has dimensional storage because her little bag can include lots of objects, and yet it is never said that her bag is another dimension.
It's not. Spilt Regeneration, Immortality and healing for a reason. Arthur isn't Regenerating, he's healing himself via vials.
For the love of God, and for the last damn time. STOP DERAILING. Mary has a magic bag, Arthur does not.
His profile literally says that Arthur has mid-low regeneration because he can regenerate on his own without medical help. Arthur can regenerate from gunshot wounds that affect organs.
In that case stop answering me lmao
Since when do you need magic to have supernatural ability?
I don't agree 100% but it's still better than thinking that Arthur has time manipulation, so yeah perception manipulation fit better
Regenerating from organ damage is Low-Mid. That's dismemberment and decapitation. Organ damage is already covered by his current rating which is should be healing.
Or alternatively you can stop bringing it up.
You're completely ignoring the regeneration standards of the wiki lmao. Regenerating from a decapitation is Mid, regenerating from minor organ damage is High-Low, regenerating from severe organs damage is Low-Mid, it's literally written here:
This makes sense.
Arthur is healing from major organ damage. It's not me ignoring standards, it's me actually reading them.
