Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 3 is Real

[MrTayman616]

WN is back.

Peak chapter, Though it's funny Al uses "heinkel" after losing that many times lmao.

This chapter gives info about many scaling as well.

FTL is gone though, Considering It's shown that Reinhard isn't faster than the speed of sheer lighting and can't dodge it.

 

[Zabazab]

First time we've seen Reinhard pushed since Regulus (probably even more than back then), crazy chapter.

FTL is gone though, Considering It's shown that Reinhard isn't faster than the speed of sheer lighting and can't dodge it.

FTL is too consistent for god tiers, given statements and feats for Reinhard/Reid/Cecilus/Halibel. The chapter will be translated soon, but even if it does say he can't escape lightning it won't really change anything.

 

[Gigi_4_life]

Spoiler: ARC 9 CHAPTER 14 SPOILERS

"Blue Lightning" Cecilus Segmunt was faster, "Praise One" Halibel was more skilled, "Mad Prince" Veigue Adgald was further from death, the great spirits connected to the four elements had more mana in total, the Bishops of the Witch Cult's Deadly Sins possessed absurd powers, the "Witches" of the Deadly Sins took more lives, the average good person was better at lying, and the average bad person was relentlessly stubborn.

LMAO the fact Tappei drops this right after my CRT is crazy, god I love being right

 

[MrTayman616]

LMAO the fact Tappei drops this right after my CRT is crazy, god I love being right

It was obvious those informations were right (I mean even Tappei himself explains these). People refuses to believe many of them because of the way Narrator of the Re zero glazes (bad word choices).

 

[MrTayman616]

Time to say good bye for FTL huh. It wasn't making much sense anyway. Though some top tiers will scale to Reinhard in some way (finally) (Especially cecilus i hope, my goat).

 

[Zabazab]

Time to say good bye for FTL huh. It wasn't making much sense anyway. Though some top tiers will scale to Reinhard in some way (finally) (Especially cecilus i hope, my goat).

FTL is too consistent for god tiers, given statements and feats for Reinhard/Reid/Cecilus/Halibel. The chapter will be translated soon, but even if it does say he can't escape lightning it won't really change anything.

 

[MrTayman616]

FTL is too consistent for god tiers, given statements and feats for Reinhard/Reid/Cecilus/Halibel. The chapter will be translated soon, but even if it does say he can't escape lightning it won't really change anything.

Like what feats?

 

[Zabazab]

Like what feats?

Feats include: Reid cutting Jiwald with ease, Child Cecilus weaving through a tempest of Jiwalds.

Statements from narration include: Reinhard being stated to be capable of reacting to the speed of light (Al Clauzeria) on reflex, Reinhard/Halibel/Cecilus being stated to be capable of dodging a rain of light.

It must also be recalled that not only is Reinhard physically nerfed as much as possible in this fight by miasma, the lightning couldn't even hit him because of his Divine Protection.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

So Reinhard can go to space, but suffer from hypoxia? Either that is an inconsistency or space isn't what we think it is, arent the stars in ReZero just balls of mana?

The Lightning speed thing is weird too, even if Reinhard is nerved, him being slower than the many feats of the mid tiers doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Zabazab]

(Tappei doesn't know how fast lightning is relative to light)

But this chapter was really cool! Reinhard used a ton of Divine Protections (stated over 251 btw) we've seen before but in new ways, and also 8 new ones:

• Divine Protection of Fireplay: Makes him resistant to general fire and explosive damage.
• Divine Protection of Sunburn: Makes him unable to receive any burns whatsoever.
• Divine Protection of Waterplay: Makes him resistant to general water damage.
• Divine Protection of Water Avoidance: Cuts the damage of Water Magic used against him.
• Divine Protection of Nightmares: He is exceptionally resistant to mental contamination and attacks on the mind.
• Divine Protection of Ball Balancing: He can take control of any spherical objects he physically interacts with. This even allowed him to take control of a star launched towards him.
• Divine Protection of Shoelaces: The effect of this Divine Protection is unknown.
• Divine Protection of Wearing Layers: The effect of this Divine Protection is unknown.

Additionally, the Dragon Sword Reid FINALLY got its invulnerability statement this chapter.

 

[Zabazab]

(Tappei doesn't know how fast lightning is relative to light)

Adding to this: Cecilus is very adamantly described as "as fast as lightning" (this very chapter even calls the lightning "as fast as Cecilus" which is just a very simile reversal), and Reinhard has blocked serious attaks from him while just a couple of metres away, meanwhile this lightning bolt would be coming from a cloud around 2km away.

Basically it's just very silly to put more weight in this statement than the numerous feats/statements that tell us otherwise.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I see where Tappei is going, Ceci is faster/as fast as lightning, and Ceci is faster than Reinhard, thus Reinhard has trouble dodging lightning, but we have already seen Ceci vs Reinhard where Ceci was said to be lightning speed, and Reinhard reacted just fine.

So doesn't make sense when you think about it.

 

[Gigi_4_life]

Even if Tappei believes Cecilus to be as fast as lightning and to be the fastest character because of this, the very existence of Jiwald completely contradicts this and well...

Kicking off the ground, Cecilus approached lightning speed with Arakiya in his arms.

Yielded in the air as if to surround the range of Cecilus’s sprint, were many beautiful mirrors fabricated with water―― the surfaces of those mirrors reflected the white rays of heat fired by the Witch, and a boisterous dance of light commenced.

From all directions, lethal luminescence was chaotically fired, targeting Cecilus.

Cecilus: [I-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ten!]

Amidst the berserk tempest of light, Cecilus ran through it as if he were dancing. He inclined his body, leaned forward, stretched out his legs, lowered his posture, and occasionally stepped over the light with long strides.

Described to be approaching lightning speed while dancing around a gazillion spells that travel at the speed of light truly is something...

 

[Zabazab]

I have no idea how to possibly index the Divine Protection of Ball Balancing. Sphere Manipulation lmao

 

[BoastJr]

Cecilus is faster yeah but its probably insignificant along with reinhard having better skill + reaction speed.

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Not sure but given the description and the name of the blessing I think its something along the lines of physics manip ? I assume its something to do with the centre of mass but well thats speculation

 

[Zabazab]

We're all distracted by Reinhard this chapter, but the most important detail might be the Book of the Dead.

Aldebaran only has a single Book of the Dead, which updates with his Memories every time he dies within the Matrix.

This is obviously a divergence from Subaru's Return by Death, which generates a new Book of the Dead every time he dies.

More fuel to theory that RbD destroys the world I feel.

 

[Gigi_4_life]

Praying Yae is Al's accomplice, I'd really love to see her again

I also wonder what Al's gonna do after "escaping" Reinhard

 

[Epiccheev]

Re:zero itself is a giant "Book of the Dead" compilation, i feel.

 

[BoastJr]

Kinda does feel like Subaru is making a new "Save File" while everyone else's gets updated accordingly.

There is some video game analogy here I feel from the way Tappei set up RbD.

Also curious how Od Laguna's timeline destruction plays with people such as Reinhard

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I loved how Reinhards catchphrase of "that's enough" eroded Als mind

I wonder how he managed to go upto 2 billion times against Satella if he started struggling around 8k. insane willpower.

On the other hand I am disappointed by Fraudhard

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Not going to lie, was a little worried Al would somehow pull off the W in a conventional fight, but this lines up in terms of the narrative. You simply don't beat Reinhard in a physical/conventional fight, you have to take advantage of his humanity.

Would have been a little funny if Al went through all that and somehow killed Reinhard, just for DP of Phoenix to activate lol, though at the same time even getting to kill Reinhard probably would have diminished his character a little.

 

[Zabazab]

I think this was amazing start to volume 40 yes. The fight was elaborate, it included so many creative magics and DPs, the contrast between Al and Reinhard was fantastic, and the conclusion was everything I desired from their fight.

It was really crazy to see Reinhard win 136,000 fights in a row against an opponent who scales to him and had effectively precog, while physically nerfed and unable to draw his sword... and still only being injured twice, on the very last loop, and still winning.

 

[BoastJr]

How is the Mad Prince guy further from Death then Reinhard. Is there some weird immortality going on with him.

Like sure Reinhard can die once and revive himself but he technically still "died". So it kind of does rule out resurrection since it has to be something slightly better then reinhard is good at.

Something similar to Koschei the Deathless rings a bell to what the Mad Prince might have in store since it involves an elaborate way to kill the former's immortality type 8.

Speculations aside wonder what Tappei has in store for us

 

[VortechsTG]

How is the Mad Prince guy further from Death then Reinhard. Is there some weird immortality going on with him.

He is likely the fabled complete cursed doll we have been waiting for. I would also like to note that Daphne may have been one first.

 

[Zabazab]

I'm really strangely drawn to Vague despite him not even being a proper character yet, ever since we found out he hates Spirits. I really hope he shows up either in Omega's stories or the main story.

He is likely the fabled complete cursed doll we have been waiting for. I would also like to note that Daphne may have been one first.

Further from death (equal to a dead character)

 

[VortechsTG]

Further from death (equal to a dead character)

Reinhard will die soon confirmed

 

[Zabazab]

For future reference: Will VolcAldebaran be a key on Volcanica's page, Al's page, or be its own page?

 

[Fezzih_007]

For future reference: Will VolcAldebaran be a key on Volcanica's page, Al's page, or be its own page?

A Key in the volc page.

Well, It depends on what he does after this chapter, It might change to a new page.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

think it should be on both pages

 

[Epiccheev]

For future reference: Will VolcAldebaran be a key on Volcanica's page, Al's page, or be its own page?

Wiki standards for fusion characters are that it either becomes a new key on whatever character gets dominance over the consciousness (example, Psykos is the one who has a Psykorochi key, not Orochi), or it becomes a separate page if both share the consciousness equally (ex:Gogeta)/ a new consciousness is created.(ex:Nabu)

 

[Zabazab]

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I see, so a key on Al's then.

 

[Zabazab]

Arc 9 Chapter 14
What a great fight, it really is so much better on WCT than a trashy google TL. This chapter had way more stuff for Reinhard & Al, like Reinhard's new Divine Protections and some new weaknesses (Miasma nerfs his physical abilities because he has EMCC, and he can't receive Divine Protections for unknown phenomena like oxygen deprivation are the main two). Honestly it's everything I'd wanted from a fight between them.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

Arc 9 Chapter 14
What a great fight, it really is so much better on WCT than a trashy google TL. This chapter had way more stuff for Reinhard & Al, like Reinhard's new Divine Protections and some new weaknesses (Miasma nerfs his physical abilities because he has EMCC, and he can't receive Divine Protections for unknown phenomena like oxygen deprivation are the main two). Honestly it's everything I'd wanted from a fight between them.

if Reinhard dies in space... what stops him from just endlessly reviving via his phoenix blessings?

 

[Zabazab]

if Reinhard dies in space... what stops him from just endlessly reviving via his phoenix blessings?

Apparantly, he'd be fine in space.


Tappei doesn't know what he believes anymore, these two quotes are literally in the same chapter as eachother:

―The Sword Saint, Reinhard van Astrea.

Needless to say, in the Kingdom of Lugunica― nay, even if one were to search far and wide across the entire world, he was a being who went without peer, and one of the two greatest obstacles in Aldebaran’s plan.
————
When looking at individual aspects generally, there were plenty of individuals who surpassed Reinhard.

Nevertheless, Reinhard van Astrea’s seat as the strongest would not be shaken. ―Tearing down that definitive strongest bastion, was the absolute victory condition levied upon Aldebaran. –Arc 9, Chapter 14, "The Strongest"

That Al Shario could not be defended against, he would not take such an optimistic viewpoint.

In fact, the Blue Lightning, who was considered to be on par with the Sword Saint, had achieved a feat of supremacy unbounded by slaying a falling star with a single slice of his katana during the decisive battle for the Imperial Capital. –Arc 9, Chapter 14, "The Strongest"

 

[VortechsTG]

Tappei doesn't know what he believes anymore, these two quotes are literally in the same chapter as eachother:

That's what I keep pointing out. It's always talking about how Cecilus is "considered" to be on par with Reinhard. That doesn't mean it's true. It's not saying it is.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

That's what I keep pointing out. It's always talking about how Cecilus is "considered" to be on par with Reinhard. That doesn't mean it's true. It's not saying it is.

Reality vs perception in a nutshell.

Reinhard is considered/known to be on par with Ceci and Halilbel by the people of the world, but that's not necessarily true.

 

[Zabazab]

It's always talking about how Cecilus is "considered" to be on par with Reinhard.

Every quote I could find that was like this, where characters within the story talk about the four strongest:

Spoiler: Quotes

Ram: “If we put confidence in Barusu and Emilia-sama’s words, then our enemy is of the same caliber as the Knight Reinhard… If as said they truly are equal to the world’s strongest man, then there is one that is at least close to his level in every country of the world.”

Subaru: “So essentially Reinhard is the strongest in the Kingdom, and each of the other three countries have their own strongest.”

Ram: “In the Vollachian Empire, there is the First-rank General, the Blue Lightning, Cecilus Segmunt; in the Holy Kingdom of Gusteko, there is the Mad Prince; and in the Kararagi City States, there is the Admirer, Halibel. But each have different traits to them.” –Volume 22, Chapter 4

Subaru: “No, that’s not important, no matter how many times you speak of the Nine Divine Generals, it’s hard to believe that someone would be able to match Reinhard…”

Abel: “――I am afraid that is not so.”

Subaru: “What?”

When Subaru tried to gauge the strength of the Nine Divine Generals as the most important opponent to be wary of, Abel said something that made him doubt his ears.

What did he just say? ――That there’s a being that can rival Reinhard?

Subaru: “Are you saying that there are other bug characters like Reinhard?” Zikr: “I’m not familiar with this vocabulary, but if you mean comparable, I will have to agree. The Nine Divine Generals have a First, above Arakiya.”

Subaru: “The First of the Nine Divine Generals is…?”

Zikr: “――Cecilus Segmunt.” –Volume 28, Chapter 1

Abel: “The Blue Lightning of Vollachia, as he is called, is a swordsman of the highest class, ranked alongside the Sword Saint of Lugunica, the Admirer of Kararagi, and the Mad Prince of Gusteko.”

Subaru: “Umm… I remember hearing that nickname before… So you’re serious?”

Abel: “If you were to antagonize him, you would lose your head in the blink of an eye. That is the kind of man he is.”

Abel, who had his arms crossed, nodded in response to Subaru’s question, as his cheeks tightened.

In this situation, there was no reason for Abel or Zikr to tell a lie or a joke. In other words, what they had spoken must be the simple truth.

Cecilus Segmunt, the strongest man in the Empire, who was as skilled as Reinhard.
Subaru felt a chill run down his spine as he wondered just how dangerous and fierce this superclass swordsman was. –Volume 28, Chapter 1

Subaru: “Then the one strong enough to be on par with Reinhard, is Cecilus, right? It’s common sense that we go for that person… wouldn’t he be enough?”

One among the four strongest human beings, those who had made a name for themselves in the Four Great Countries.

If Cecilus, who had been mentioned to be amongst these four, was a person considered to be on par with Reinhard, then it would be very much as if the outcome of the battle would be decided by that person alone.

In fact, that Reinhard could win even if he fought everyone in the Kingdom, was an extraordinary expectation and view that had sprouted in Subaru.

So, naturally, he held such sort of presupposition for Cecilus, who was Reinhard’s equal. However――

Abel: “…It is true that if we secure that person, all the problems of our strength shall be solved in one move.” –Volume 28, Chapter 2

He had at least heard the names and aliases of the Nine Divine Generals, the highest military force possessed by the Empire.

It seemed that all of them were warriors with extraordinary abilities, and only the best in the Kingdom, a group in which Marcos, the Commander of the Royal Guards, was also included, would be capable of being a match to them.

And, of course, there was the Kingdom’s most powerful person, the Sword Saint, but――

Heinkel: “Didn’t someone say something ridiculous like some guy fighting Reinhard…”

The strongest swordsman in the Vollachian Empire was said to be as good as Reinhard.

Of course, the Nine Divine Generals would possess their own strengths and weaknesses, but the thought of being attacked by a monster on the same level as that person, was Heinkel’s worst nightmare. –Volume 30, Chapter 4

Serena: “I’ll listen to your advice, but I cannot vouch for the attitude of the other citizens of the Empire.

Most of them would go into a frenzy, even if they were to be told they had no chance of winning a fight against the Sword Saint.”

Roswaal: “That is a point of difference with the Kingdom, where there’s no need to explain the true power of the Sword Saaaint~.”

Ram: “Yes, that is correct. In the Kingdom, if you had the chance to get a glimpse of the Sword Saint, Reinhard, there would be no need for any further explanation.”

Since the Four Great Countries shared a treaty prohibiting Reinhard from leaving Lugunica, the people of other countries had almost no chance of ever seeing him.

If they could have gotten that chance, there also would not have been any need to bother with this kind of roundabout persuasion.

――One look at the Sword Saint, at Reinhard van Astrea, and anyone could have sensed right away just how foolish it would be to oppose him.

Only lunatics living in a world completely detached from reason would not understand that. –Volume 32, Intermission

Halibel revealing his hand so easily had Subaru unable to believe his ears. However, the former seemed to nod his head in agreement with Subaru’s point with a “Yeah,”

Halibel: “It ain’t like anythin’ll happen even if ya know. ‘N even if ya knew, not many people’d get by without takin’ a single hit from me, right?”

Subaru: “Yeaaah~, you might seem modest, but you’re not. It’s the same with Reinhard and Ceci, feels like the strongest people of each country have that in common…”

Subaru was deeply impressed by Halibel’s confident, imposing statement.

Needless to say, Cecilus, the manifestation of approval addiction, and Reinhard, who embodied humility and sincerity as if they were the very clothes he wore, had absolute confidence in their own abilities.

In fact, if someone who was as strong as they were said “I’m nothing special”, it would not be very persuasive. It would be much more impressive if they said they were proud of that fact. –Volume 36, Chapter 2

Halibel: “That’s why there’s people who’re more motivated than me flyin’ around. So long as they ain’t stronger than me, I guess there ain’t no problem.”

Subaru: “People stronger than Halibel-san…”

Halibel: “The only one who’s absolutely stronger than me’s the Kingdom’s Sword Saint. That ‘un aside, it depends on compatibility n’ the circumstances.”

Halibel’s softly-worded response gave Subaru a sense of both relief and trepidation.

Having a strong person take pride in their strength, just like Cecilus did, was nothing short of reassuring for an ally. That was especially true if they were among the strongest in the world.

Precisely because of that, he could not help but be astounded by how out of the ordinary Reinhard was, who had his strength “absolutely” guaranteed by some of the world’s strongest. –Volume 38, Chapter 2

Beatrice: “…Those guys are outrageous, in fact.”

Subaru had seen the same thing that Beatrice had, and agreed wholeheartedly.

Even though Subaru was aware of this as information, two of the world’s strongest individuals were unbeatable in ways that went beyond his simple imagination. In fact, with them he felt like he could not lose, just like having Reinhard on his side.

Now that Cecilus had grown up, together with Halibel, that feeling was even stronger―― –Volume 38, Chapter 4

That Al Shario could not be defended against, he would not take such an optimistic viewpoint.

In fact, the Blue Lightning, who was considered to be on par with the Sword Saint, had achieved a feat of supremacy unbounded by slaying a falling star with a single slice of his katana during the decisive battle for the Imperial Capital. –Arc 9, Chapter 14, "The Strongest"

In all honesty, Julius initially harbored intense precaution and nervousness in regards to Halibel.

The name “Admirer” was known well throughout the world, and alongside the Sword Saint, Reinhard, he was one of the four people in this world considered to be of the strongest caliber. The objective for which Julius and Anastasia had passed through the City-States, was also not something that would have been looked at favorably by the mayors who organized Kararagi.

Worst case scenario, they had entered the country with the resolve to face even Halibel.

Halibel: [But, ya got up ‘n surprised when ya met me fer real ‘n saw that I was actually a good-natured uncle, ain’t that right?]

Julius: [It is true that I was quite surprised. However, it was not your temperament that had surprised me. Reinhard, with whom you are considered to be of equal rank, is a friend of mine whom I can respect. I am also acquainted with Vollachia’s Blue Lightning, Cecilus Segmunt-dono, but he, too… is not somebody who cannot be conversed with.]

Halibel: [Ya seem ta be pretty darn well connected, eh? Well, if ya know Cecilus, then I guess ya wouldn’t be too surprised that I’m like this. Yeah?]

Stifling a laugh, Halibel sought agreement for his impression towards the strongest of the Empire, but by closing his eyes and maintaining silence, Julius decided to protect the honor of his acquaintance. –Anastasia's Companion Searching Chronicle III

 

[Phoenks]

Pridebaru vs Al

Both have 3 days prep time before battle.

 

[Epiccheev]

Otto soloes

 

[Pepsiman25th]

Pridebaru vs Al

Both have 3 days prep time before battle.

could Reid (1st sword saint) break through Al's authority?