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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 3 is Real

Celestial_Pegasus said:
On the topic of ap, didn't want to get into it, but in arc 6, from memory RBD was discussed as being 1 of 2 things, a literal reversal of time, or the world is destroyed, and recreated how it was before at an earlier point in time.
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"So a loop or time slip, huh... I mean, I'm used to this sort of thing happening in manga, but I saw somewhere that realistically it was really hard to explain time travel to the past... like, that it would be easier to remake the world from scratch rather than slip back in time." —Volume 1, Chapter 4, Section 2
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「記憶をなくした時点で、死者扱いにされてるか……『タイゲタ』の『死者の書』は、あの記憶の回廊は、俺が死んだ世界のことも観測してる……？」
"Am I being treated as deceased, ever since I lost my memories... the 『Books of the Dead』 of 『Taygeta』, that Hall of Memories, is even observing the worlds I die in……?”

　だとしたら、何らかの形でスバルの『死』を写し取り、『死者の書』として形にしていることは考えられなくはない。だが、その場合、『死に戻り』とは。
If that were the case, then in no way is it inconceivable that it was depicting Subaru’s 『Deaths』 in some type of form through the 『Book of the Dead』. However, in that case, what did that make of 『Return by Death』.

「時間を遡ってるのか、世界そのものを作り直してるのか、どっちなのかって考えたことはあったが……」
“Whether it rewinds time, or does it rebuild the world itself, I had given a thought to both but……”

　仮に、『死者の書』が『菜月・昴』の本を生成する方法を仮定した場合、最も高い可能性は後者のように思えてならない。だとしたら、このナツキ・スバルを取り巻く現象は『死に戻り』なんて可愛げのあるものではなく――、
For the argument’s sake, in the case that the 『Books of the Dead』 assumed a method to generate the book of 『Natsuki Subaru』, it could not be helped but to reach the conviction that the latter had much more likelihood. If that holds true, then the phenomenon which encased this Natsuki Subaru was not something as charming as 『Return by Death』 butーー, —Arc 6, Chapter 73
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「残念ですガ、スバルハ……」
"Unfortunately, Subaru…"

「兄弟は生きてるぜ」
"Bro’s alive."

「――アルちん！」
"――Al-chin!"

　首を横に振り、タリッタは哀悼の意を示そうとした。が、その発言は確信に満ちたアルの言葉に遮られ、それを聞いたミディアムがパッと顔を明るくする。
Shaking her head, Taritta tried to express her condolences. But her statement was interrupted by Al’s words full of conviction; hearing them made Medium’s face light up.

　当然、アベルの方は不機嫌にも思える目をアルへと向けた。
Naturally, Abel turned his eyes, which seemed to be in a foul mood, towards Al,

「道化、貴様は何故にあれの生存を確信する？」
"Clown, how can you be so sure of his survival?"

「単純明快、そりゃナツキ・スバルってのがそういう奴だからだよ。もっと言えば」
"Plain and simple, it’s ‘cause Natsuki Subaru’s that kinda guy. Or rather…"

「言えば？」
"Rather?"

「世界が滅んでねぇ。それがオレの根拠だ」
"The world hasn’t been destroyed. That’s my basis." —Arc 7, Chapter 60
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Fezzih_007 said:
You mean like, Subaru dies, and Satella breaks free for her seal and go in a rampage?

Reinhard would stop her If that's the case.
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Maybe not appeartly his POV is a spoiler and canonically they’d have a Infinite stalemate and the world goes bye bye anyway via their fight.
 
Elsa's intuition tells her to go after a fleeing dragon carriage, this carriage ended up having her target in it.
The question was whether or not the dragon carriage was worth postponing the capture of the enemy territory.

Elsa: [...Well, I can think about it after I catch it.]

Even if gaining control of the battlefront was delayed a bit, Logres and the others would be able to hold out.

Elsa chose to follow her intuition rather than thinking. And her intuition ordered her to chase the dragon carriage. —Red Snowfall on the Orcos Domain Part I
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Elsa's footwork is brisk enough to leave the snow she steps on uncrushed.
Elsa's silhouette darted through the blizzard and over the snow, kicking the snow aside as she moved. Her footwork so brisk the snowfall underfoot remained uncrushed, Elsa sprung at the man with her bizarre yet stunning stride. —Red Snowfall on the Orcos Domain, Part I
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Elsa experiences former Acolyte Knight (basically Gustekan version of First-Class General) Viktor Orcos' swordsmanship.
In a flash, two blades streaked towards Elsa, grazing her forehead as she twisted her body.

The scarlet and azure blades belonged to the katanas carried on the man’s waist. Katanas were single-edged swords that originated in the western region of Kararagi, and were valuable weapons of war known for their dreadful sharpness. However, what surprised Elsa was not the existence of the katanas, but the clear skillfulness in the strikes. The katanas were certainly inside their sheaths,

Elsa: [When did you pull those out? You startled me!]

Swordsman: [I’m also surprised, I didn't think you could avoid it.]

The man clicked his tongue as his first attack was evaded, his strike missing the mark. Elsa, licking the blood dripping down from her slashed temple, somersaulted backwards to regain her balance.

Elsa: [....]

Acolyte Knights were quite fearsome. Or rather, perhaps, former Acolyte Knights were fearsome.

The swords’ wind blew violently, and what Elsa saw over, and over, and over, in the snow, was death.

The scarlet and azure flashes of the blade were intertwined, and what was created around the man was a realm of death that would cut down anyone who touched it. The range of his swords were long, more than twice the length of Elsa's knife. Unable to approach him carelessly, Elsa rapidly flew around the man, utilizing her combat instincts to search for a way to win.

Elsa: [Pull out, put in, pull out, put in, pull out, put in...]

She concentrated on watching the speed of the sword strikes, in awe, enchanted with the man's skill with the sword.

Although she didn’t know why, the man maneuvered his swords back to their scabbards after each strike and slashed as he drew them out again. The left and right sides flowed together in a sequence, and the execution of the sword extraction and insertion was remarkably fast. The two strikes could be fired simultaneously or separately, and she couldn’t find any gaps in his movements. —Red Snowfall on the Orcos Domain, Part I
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Elsa, without using her arms, weaved through a flurry of four whips that surpass the speed of sound.
Even a mere graze would leave one with a serious injury. In a battlefield where they closed in like snakes moving at the speed of sound, Elsa, her arms dangling, swept through them with a gliding, dancing gait.

The concept of floors, walls, and ceilings became meaningless in Elsa's gait through space. Up and down, left and right, Elsa leapt around the hall, tracing the gaps of the whip attacks.

Igor: [What, what the hell are you doing, you Acolyte Knights!? The blessing granted to you by His Eminence is weeping!]

With the expectation that it would be an instant victory betrayed, Igor’s spittle flew as he rebuked the Acolyte Knights. The expressions of the twins remained unchanged at those words, however the speed and sharpness of each of the twin whips increased all the more.

Faster than sound, faster than wind, the whiplashes accelerated. However――,

Elsa: [――Very good. But, it’s not enough.]

As the whips grazed her toes and glided across her black braid, Elsa smiled in ecstasy.

The coordination of the twin Acolyte Knights was superb. Their dual-wielded whips compensated for each other's blind spots and never allowed the enemy to breach their high-speed attack range. Once the whip caught the enemy, a barrage of lashes would rush toward the stationary opponent, uprooting them. —Red Snowfall on the Orcos Domain, Part II
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Aldebaran: [――Domain Expansion, Matrix Redefinition.]

A fixed catchphrase was a declaration of war against the world; so had once spoken a Witch.

Magic, was a technique that reflected one’s will into reality, defying the laws of nature by means of incantation. A sophisticated, delicate act of barbarism tantamount to forcibly rewriting the script, altering the ending.

That was to say, the incantations of magic spells were none other than a polite greeting that declared, “Now I shall destroy the world”.

Of course, since it was a greeting, there were times it would be ignored, or rejected.

If the formulation of the technique was not fully fleshed out, if the activation was messed up due to a lack of Mana, or if it spontaneously fired bringing about a result unlike the one desired; there were various things that could happen.

To begin with, this parable itself was naught more than a digression.

That which he was attempting to perform was not magic.

Only, if saying a catchphrase was a declaration of war against the world, then its essence was merely the same.

That was exactly why――,

Aldebaran: [――Domain Expansion, Matrix Redefinition.]

That was a forewarning of murder towards a world that wished not to be destroyed, from one who wished to destroy it nonetheless.

Kill. Destroy. Rip. Trample. Flatten. Desecrate. Tear. Mangle. Incinerate. Crush. Smash. Liquify. Saturate.

Any word was fine. It was the same as magic. ――What mattered, was for the essence to be the same.
 
Zabazab said:
Aldebaran: [――Domain Expansion, Matrix Redefinition.]

A fixed catchphrase was a declaration of war against the world; so had once spoken a Witch.

Magic, was a technique that reflected one’s will into reality, defying the laws of nature by means of incantation. A sophisticated, delicate act of barbarism tantamount to forcibly rewriting the script, altering the ending.

That was to say, the incantations of magic spells were none other than a polite greeting that declared, “Now I shall destroy the world”.

Of course, since it was a greeting, there were times it would be ignored, or rejected.

If the formulation of the technique was not fully fleshed out, if the activation was messed up due to a lack of Mana, or if it spontaneously fired bringing about a result unlike the one desired; there were various things that could happen.

To begin with, this parable itself was naught more than a digression.

That which he was attempting to perform was not magic.

Only, if saying a catchphrase was a declaration of war against the world, then its essence was merely the same.

That was exactly why――,

Aldebaran: [――Domain Expansion, Matrix Redefinition.]

That was a forewarning of murder towards a world that wished not to be destroyed, from one who wished to destroy it nonetheless.

Kill. Destroy. Rip. Trample. Flatten. Desecrate. Tear. Mangle. Incinerate. Crush. Smash. Liquify. Saturate.

Any word was fine. It was the same as magic. ――What mattered, was for the essence to be the same.
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"Domain expansion" lol

That's a lot of flowery lenguage just to say how much magic is supernatural huh?
 
It took me about 4 months to remember my arguement again.
Shouldn't Beatrice have NPI because she can affect peoples mind with shamak? mind exists in the od afterall
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
It took me about 4 months to remember my arguement again.
Shouldn't Beatrice have NPI because she can affect peoples mind with shamak? mind exists in the od afterall
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NPI from mind manip affecting the mind? Please leave the kitchen.

Fezzih_007 said:
"Domain expansion" lol

That's a lot of flowery lenguage just to say how much magic is supernatural huh?
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Echidna is Her
 
Tappei cannot powerscale
Garfiel: [――Bwaagh!?]

In the next instant, Al’s fist in Garfiel’s mouth swelled up violently, shattering his jawbone under the pressure and sending shards of his upper and lower canines flying through the air.
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Just as the girl’s hand was about to reach him from behind, Aldebaran covered his neck with a layer of stone and avoided the blow that would have broken his cervical vertebrae.

However, this enemy was not so naive as to slacken their assault there. As soon as they realized their ambush had failed, they immediately slipped towards Aldebaran’s left side―― to attempt an assassination from his armless side, and unleashed a hand strike aimed at his flank.

A fearsome blow enhanced by the Flow Method, one that would perforate his side, slip through the gap in his ribs, and tear out his heart; a blow that contrasted with her cute hands.
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Considering that Volume 16 is the 90 minute episode & includes some volume 17 stuff, adapting 4 volumes into 15 episodes is really good pace. Compare that to Arc 3, which was 6 volumes adapted into 13 episodes.

The choice to cut Al from season 1 really does age like milk...
 
I think in order to make this AP CRT I'm also going to have to make keys for Garfiel. I'm thinking either two or three keys.

Arc 5 | Arc 7 | Arc 9
7-A | At least 7-A | 6-A
 
I think we should also change most of the mid tier characters from 7A to 6C since they clearly scale far above 7A Rowan

Echidna herself confirmed that she lost most of her powers, so her real AP should be much higher then her 6C feat
Echidna: [It seems like I’ve regrettably lost most of the powers and skills I developed as a Witch. I still have the knowledge, but I don’t imagine it will be easy for me to regain my former strength.]

Witch's After Tea Party _ The Witches' Evaluation Meeting.txt
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Moreover Omega should be comparable or even inferior to Ex-2 Sphinx since her Gate is the same size as a normal Ryuzu Clone, she wouldn't be able to get enough mana out of her Od to use any major spells
“Though the Gate seems different, the use of magic doesn’t seem to be an issue. In that case…”

Witch’s After Tea Party
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TheHeavenlySword said:
I think we should also change most of the mid tier characters from 7A to 6C since they clearly scale far above 7A Rowan

Echidna herself confirmed that she lost most of her powers, so her real AP should be much higher then her 6C fry
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I don't think 200 megatons is close enough to 4 gigatons to allow that upscaling. It's a 20x gap.

Also, Echidna says this in Witches Evaluation Meeting:
The key thing now was that Omega had lost her powers, making her extremely weak and fragile.

Echidna: [Of course that doesn’t apply when I materialise myself, even if it’s just for a short amount of time. Most people end up dying from mental breakdowns just by looking at me, thanks to my miasma. It’s just that I don’t want to make heavy use of it. Anyhow, I…]

Typhon: [...There’s someone you don’t want to be found by, right?]

Typhon anticipated what Echidna was going to say, and spoke them for her innocently. The latter didn’t bother to deny the point the young Witch had made.

She was speaking the truth. All of the Witches here in the citadel of dreams knew that. It wasn’t just Echidna after all.

This someone was an enemy all of the Witches had in common.
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