Puella Magi Verse: Revival Discussion Thread

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

No I talk about the Kyubey mentioning Madoka shifting to a higher plane. It should qualify for Tier 1 as now "higher plane" is accepted if the beings in it are in a "higher state of being" compared to the multiverse, with the record thing being supportive evidence for it.

So it's no longer required to have specific statement like "infinitely superior than lower plane"? Because this is the only things that holds PMMM from being Low 1-C.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So it's no longer required to have specific statement like "infinitely superior than lower plane"? Because this is the only things that holds PMMM from being Low 1-C.

Basically this. I know this wiki became lenient as **** lately, but hey, we should take advantage of it.

If Archie Sonic or Pokémon got the cake, why not PMMM too?

 

[Unqver]

No.

verseInside, three dimensions contain an infinite plane time axis.

 

[Unqver]

verseInside, three dimensions contain an infinite plane time axis.

Even the space-time continuum appeared clearly.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Basically this. I know this wiki became lenient as **** lately, but hey, we should take advantage of it.

If Archie Sonic or Pokémon got the cake, why not PMMM too?

That's really neat then. Yes, we should take advantage to this while we can.

I also wanted to talk about the possible Noduality for PMMM God Tier, do you think the Magical Girl-Witch qualify as dual system? This should get puella at least type 1 Noduality.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

I mean, in this case, can the three dimensions of this verse be regarded as four dimensions

This would makes everything that lives in PMMM to be 4th dimensional being, which is not the case in the verse.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I also wanted to talk about the possible Noduality for PMMM God Tier, do you think the Magical Girl-Witch qualify as dual system? This should get puella at least type 1 Noduality.

I don't think so to be honest. Dualities in the wiki are stuff that define existence because of them being opposite poles.

Check these profiles to get a better understanding on what I mean.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh right, forgot a detail.

Duality here is something like "X and non-X", this is why things like "space and time" or "fire and water" are not dualities unless the verse explicitly treats those as such, as a duality here is instead "water and non-water" or "time and non-time".

Thus in PMMM, unless the verse is very clear about this, the duality shouldn't be "Magical Girl and Witch", but "Magical Girl and Non-Magical Girl" or "Witch and Non-Witch".

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Oh right, forgot a detail.

Duality here is something like "X and non-X", this is why things like "space and time" or "fire and water" are not dualities unless the verse explicitly treats those as such, as a duality here is instead "water and non-water" or "time and non-time".

Ah alright, that's actually really understandable explanation.

Also, should we make a cosmology blog for the verse? Some people still don't understand the difference between "World of Witches" and "World of Wraiths". There is also the Magia Record timelines as well, which seems to also have their own set of multiverse as well.

 

[Unqver]

How to evaluate this performance: The unlimited size of Iroha reshapes the infinite universe in the Papa record to the same point in time (in fact, it affects more than just these because the impact range in the plot exceeds the Papa record)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also, should we make a cosmology blog for the verse? Some people still don't understand the difference between "World of Witches" and "World of Wraiths". There is also the Magia Record timelines as well, which seems to also have their own set of multiverse as well.

That and including stuff about how the canon works.

Also please use references in the blog like the Archie Sonic one, almost anything in PMMM profiles is unsourced and I hate it (looking at those nasty physiology pages, use this to see a good one).

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

How to evaluate this performance: The unlimited size of Iroha reshapes the infinite universe in the Papa record to the same point in time (in fact, it affects more than just these because the impact range in the plot exceeds the Papa record)

I will read the Infinite Iroha story later to see if she can be scale in any way.

 

[Unqver]

That and including stuff about how the canon works.

Also please use references in the blog like the Archie Sonic one, almost anything in PMMM profiles is unsourced and I hate it (looking at those nasty physiology pages, use this to see a good one).

If possible, I think I can try to find the screenshots of the game in the magia record.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

If possible, I think I can try to find the screenshots of the game in the magia record.

That would be helpful yes, please do.

 

[Unqver]

I will read the Infinite Iroha story later to see if she can be scale in any way.

It's not iInfinite Iroha, it's Infinite sized Iroha. What I'm talking about is the character from this year's April Fool's Day, not the one from the main storyline of Magic Record

 

[StrymULTRA]

That would be helpful yes, please do.

Oh yeah, forgot a detail again.

References are to use when the scan in itself does not lead to the source. In the UT Monster Physiology page I did not for most of the part as most of the links are self-explanatory YT links, but given the PMMM verse's nature, all the scans should have a reference.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Oh yeah, forgot a detail again.

References are to use when the scan in itself does not lead to the source. In the UT Monster Physiology page I did not for most of the part as most of the links are self-explanatory YT links, but given the PMMM verse's nature, all the scans should have a reference.

Puella Magi Verse Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

I remember I made this blog long ago. It's really crude and needs some actual scans references.

 

[Unqver]

Puella Magi Verse Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

I remember I made this blog long ago. It's really crude and needs some actual scans references.

I agree, too. It's so crude.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Oh yeah, forgot a detail again.

References are to use when the scan in itself does not lead to the source. In the UT Monster Physiology page I did not for most of the part as most of the links are self-explanatory YT links, but given the PMMM verse's nature, all the scans should have a reference.

Oh yeah, we should also needs to talk about Hax potency in PMMM. I believe there is an ongoing thread that talks about this topic.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

I agree, too. It's so crude.

Yeah, needs to gather some game screenshots and scans from anime and manga.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Puella Magi Verse Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

I remember I made this blog long ago. It's really crude and needs some actual scans references.

I genuinely hate it lmao.

I'd suggest to make a remake, making it filled of scans obviously. That preferably made after a section with evidence on how the canon works, to answer all the possible questions, as, no offense, the profiles of PMMM are filled of so much stuff which has as reason "I have no evidence rn, but trust me bro".

Plus the Notable Attacks/Techniques section are genuinely ******* horrible, those list P&A, not techniques.

 

[Unqver]

Yeah, needs to gather some game screenshots and scans from anime and manga.

What do you think about the infinite mirror layer of the mirror witch?

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

What do you think about the infinite mirror layer of the mirror witch?

One problem at the time please. There is no need to be hurry.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

I genuinely hate it lmao.

I'd suggest to make a remake, making it filled of scans obviously. That preferably made after a section with evidence on how the canon works, to answer all the possible questions, as, no offense, the profiles of PMMM are filled of so much stuff which has as reason "I have no evidence rn, but trust me bro".

Plus the Notable Attacks/Techniques section are genuinely ******* horrible, those list P&A, not techniques.

Yep, gotta be busy from works, but I will try focus on gathering relevant cosmology scans first.

 

[Shadowbeast]

Are you referring to the thing about Madoka being equivalent to a Heaven? Pretty sure that wasn't enough if I recall, unless the regulation change again.

We can try this again since the standards of the tiering system have changed since the last update, look at the case of Archie Sonic for example.

 

[StrymULTRA]

We can try this again since the standards of the tiering system have changed since the last update, look at the case of Archie Sonic for example.

Ok but not now as the profile just sucks rn.

 

[Shadowbeast]

Ok but not now as the profile just sucks rn.

Oh yeah, a lot of things needs to be revised such as new info, feats and stuff like that. The profiles are really outdated.

 

[Unqver]

Good luck today

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

We can try this again since the standards of the tiering system have changed since the last update, look at the case of Archie Sonic for example.

I personally see no harm in trying again. It will only affects God Tiers anyway.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I personally see no harm in trying again. It will only affects God Tiers anyway.

Let's focus on the Tier 7/6/5 or whatever first.

Madoka Magica recalcs (and some extras)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Are there other feats to calc other than these? I mean new ones.

 

[Unqver]

Let's focus on the Tier 7/6/5 or whatever first.

Madoka Magica recalcs (and some extras)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Are there other feats to calc other than these? I mean new ones.

Oriko thinks that Akemi Homura's second time remodeling of Madoka's Gretchen has an enchantment covering the whole moon?

 

[StrymULTRA]

7-A is fake and gay, btw. It has literally no calc at all.

I genuinely just think that Homura (and thus anyone who is below Mami's 4.5 offense) should just downscale from 7-B, as they're not potrayed as magnitudes below her.

 

[Unqver]

Oriko thinks that Akemi Homura's second time remodeling of Madoka's Gretchen has an enchantment covering the whole moon?

To be exact, it should be Madoka in magia records.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

7-A is fake and gay, btw. It has literally no calc at all.

I genuinely just think that Homura (and thus anyone who is below Mami's 4.5 offense) should just downscale from 7-B, as they're not potrayed as magnitudes below her.

Mami should be at least scales above Patricia. Charlotte and Homura's weapons should also scales to this as well.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Mami should be at least scales above Patricia. Charlotte and Homura's weapons should also scales to this as well.

IF ONLY Patricia didn't became Low 7-C under the new standards of Creation Feats.

My recalc blog covered everything as I said.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

IF ONLY Patricia didn't became Low 7-C under the new standards of Creation Feats.

My recalc blog covered everything as I said.

I just noticed Elly calcs yields higher results than Patricia calcs, we should probably used Elly as placeholder instead.

Elly is the placeholder. Sayaka should scales higher for one shotting her. Kyoko should scales above Sayaka for manhandling the latter. Patricia should be above Kyoko since her attacks can contend with Second timeline Madoka's arrows which should be superior in AP than Kyoko. And then Mami is around here as well as Charlotte and Homura's weapons AP.

I'm not sure where should I put base Homura. She has feats knocking out Sayaka and briefly having physical clash with Mami in Rebellion movie.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'm not sure where should I put base Homura. She has feats knocking out Sayaka and briefly having physical clash with Mami in Rebellion movie.

I think Homura should just downscale from Sayaka physically, aka just being above Elly imo.

 

[Shadowbeast]

I don't think anyone has ever calculated this, but in Madoka Portable, in one of the cutscenes, it is possible to see Kyoko reacting and dodging bullets with her chains. This should help in the speed feats section since there was a lot of bullets there.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don't think anyone has ever calculated this, but in Madoka Portable, in one of the cutscenes, it is possible to see Kyoko reacting and dodging bullets with her chains. This should help in the speed feats section.

No vid.

Dawg.

Plus there can be an argument for FTL arguments, as in Wraith arc Mami's bullets are equal in speed with lasers. Homura's feat would make the verse MFTL.

 

[Shadowbeast]

Dawg.

Plus there can be an argument for FTL arguments, as in Wraith arc Mami's bullets are equal in speed with lasers. Homura's feat would make the verse MFTL.

I was trying to see if someone had recorded this part of the game with the English translation but unfortunately i couldn't find any video like that. At least there are still videos with the original Japanese translation. If someone can find a clip with the english translation and post here, it would be good.
Here (feat happens at moment 12:10).

Edit: Here you can find the clip in Youtube too, it's from Homura's route which sadly isn't translated yet (also, Mami and Kyoko's fight happens at 5:25 there, to be more exactly)