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Puella Magi Discussion Thread VII: Waiting for Main Story Chapter 10

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I haven't been in touch with MagiReco stuff since last month. Can anyone give me the TLDR version of what happens in the chapter 8 and 9 of possible?
 
TL;DR everyone splits up to take on the Magius before they lure Walpugis into the city.

Yachiyo fights and takes off Holy Mami's Rumor clothes with the help of another Rumor, who just teleported from the main city after dumping a lot of witches to make sure Madoka doesnt ruin their plan.

The side characters realize that the Magius are usin the Rumors to amp up the Black Feathers and make them all target the soul gems.

Iroha gets kidnapped.

Chapter 9:

Yachiyo and Sana attack the Magius base where Iroha was kidnapped. The base is actually a massive rumor that has passive power null.

The Magius had sacrified Yachiyo's ex and the twins to Eve already. Kyoko helps Sana and Iroha escape. Now we wait for the translations
 
Neat.

Btw, all the god tiers (except AoC) should have Non-Physical Interaction.

Madoka can interact with nonexistents like UKG, UKG can interact with abstracts like Madoka, and Homura can also interact with abstracts like Madoka
 
Ye I could add it later since its a small update.

Momoko's part of Chapter 9 is out, not much happens other than Kaede, Momoko, and Rena fight off some pinked hair white feather's doppel, who then apparently joins them.

For the Magia Record, the next profiles I plan on making are Meru Anna, Kuro, and Kanae Yukino. Afterwards, I'll probably try finishing the Kazumi bunch and add the last two Tart Puella Magi, then maybe finally begin on Suzune and Portable.
 
So cracking a soul gem isn't actually insta death, it first starts by removing your Healing powers and then begins a process.

I think a "Misc. Puella Magi Info blog" is going to be eventually needed at this point as I'm pretty sure we're going to forget everything sooner or later.
 
Yeah we're definitely gonna need a Misc. blog.

Now we just need to wait for TFO Scans to finish translating the first chapter of the Magia Record Manga. After that we'll be done with Puella Magi Mangas for a while.
 
That ending though it seems we finally got an eplanation on kure's power, jeez that's op.
 
Is it that op? I kinda breezed through the Volume for now since I need to go to sleep. Oh well I'll see the explanation for it when I wake up c ya for now.
 
Okay good night!

For when you wake up: She uses her fate manipulation to dramatically change herself, such as for example in this manga, she became witch willingly and retained her mind, and had amplified Oriko with her magic, kinda like Tart + Riz.

I may be reading to deep into it, but the room Oriko and Kirika are always in, seems to be some kinda astral plane, given how a dead Kirika somehow gave a dying Oriko the card to kill Madoka with.
 
We need to talk about acausality bois.

Madokami has type 2 (Textbook example, really) and 4 (Transcendens causal laws). I could argue for type 5 as well.

Base Homu has type 1 (although wasn't CMG Homu the one that kept her memories.?) and CMG Homu has type 4 (due to her transcending causal laws)

UKG has types 2 and 4 scaling from Meguca.

I dunno if base Madoka should hava acausality now tbh
 
I mean, yeah, now that you mention it, Kyubey describes her as "Singularity Cause and Effect" does seems contradicting to what shown in the series.
 
It doesn't contradict what happens.

It just doesn't mean "acausality" to begin with. Kyubey was talking about Madoka being unique due to Homura resetting universes and giving Madoka an abnormal potential
 
We discover in Wraith Arc that the shield has type 1 acasuality, so yes even base Homura should have it.

I'mma see if Final Timeline Madoka has any more acauality feats, but just a reminder that she did dream about the previous timelind in the first episode before even becoming a magical girl.
 
The Puella Magi Verse loves to give Fate hax to magical girls. First Riz, than Yachiyo, and now Kirika. Although Kirika is technically the first Fate hax user since she appeared first although we never learned about her Fate hax until now. So she's also technically both the earliest and latest Fate hax user.
 
There is also another one in Magia Record, basically she manipulates fate to make her predictions accurate.
 
Oh right so counting that one there's currently 4 new magical girls with Fate hax. Kirika doesn't really count as new but ehh close enough.

Edit: 5 Forgot about Final Form Tart.
 
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I'mma see if Final Timeline Madoka has any more acauality feats, but just a reminder that she did dream about the previous timelind in the first episode before even becoming a magical girl.
Yeah but honestly that isn't enough.

I mean the entire plot of PMMM is based on Madoka being affected by Homura time travelling
 
Understandable I guess, it should probably be removed from base Madoka. Though maybe on the same thread type 5 for ult madoka can be argued,
 
Sounds about right.

And given that we are talking about revisions, can I say that our justification for High 3-A Tart is weak, to say the least?

Like, she has an "infinite power" statement and that's kinda it.

Isabeau reacting to her also honestly disproves infinite speed.

Honestly i would feel more comfortable scaling her above Isabeau

And another thing. Why we assume that Tart's Doppel negates durability?
 
Well "infinite power", broke the inverse tiering system, and as you mentioned yourself, people with similar potential has reached such levels of power, and exceeded it.

The only time Isabeau reacted to her was when Tart was mid-air no? Every other time was Isabeau trying to attack Tart but getting blitzed every time.

Speaking of Isabeau though (Since I'm currently checking it to respond) Kyubey mentions that when she was born (So right off the bat this was at her weakest) she encompassed all of France, and then her daughter proceeds to mention: "As the Dark Age reached maturity, all of the people felt the darkness of their losses! It created (meaning it has already happened) an even larger witch, spreading farther and wider over the world!"

Isabeau's invulnerability also includes abilities, such as Melissa's Matter Destruction hax.

So we probably need to add Statistics Amplification (Grows more powerful and larger accordingly to the despair of men within her Barrier) alongside a more detailed Invulnerability and upgrade her accordingly.

As for Doppel tart, I believe it was because it of the entire "No matter who or what stands before this Doppel, it shall find sin within them and expose it before the light of day. In short, one has no choice but to accept the full brunt of its absurd purity."

Though "ceaselessly disgorge their sins", doesn't this mean the Doppel forces them to talk about their sins with her aura?
 
I'm not saying that it would be an outlier. More that Tart doesn't really have anything else backing it up.

She blasted Tart with an energy beam at one point (did nothing but still managed to hit her). Minou reacted to her as well (albeit barely)

"Far higher over time" or something like that could work? She can grow in power over time, but we don't know how strong she was when she was defeated. To me Minou's statement looks like "it's still spreading, it will encompass everything eventually", not "it already covers the world"

Probably warrants an "at least 6-B" as well. Kyubey is legitimately worried by the idea of Isabeau's power spreading over the entire planet, so there is that as well.

Agreed for the invulnerability.

I don't think that "no matter who or what" = durability negation.

It does. I do believe that the fire part also applies, but I don't think that it would negate durability
 
I never said you were? I'm saying that generally we don't accept infinite power statements as they tend to be hyperbolic and innaccurate, I was just pointing out that neither of these apply given what we already know. And like I said above, the infinite power statement is backed by the in-verse tiering system.

The only time I found her being blasted was when she was mid-air (in which case she couldn't dodge due to her lack of flight or pseudo flight), can you give me a page number?

I guess? Minou was using past tense the entire time, so I'm not sure if that's accurate. But alright I guess.

I don't know, that sounds like its ignoring how durable her enemies are. But alright I guess, unless Doppel Tart, UKG, or Ult Madoka get paired against someone more durable with them, the results are basically the same,
 
What I meant is, "fate allows that" only proves that it wouldn't be an outlier.

It doesn't add legitimacy to the feat on its own.

Also, it's backed up only by the databook and tiering system. There are no feats close to that in the manga.

I'm going by memory (reread it yesterday) so I can't. Either way Minou reacted to her too.

The meaning seems "she created an OP witch, which started spreading her influence and is still doing so". Kyubey also confirms that she can still grow in power
 
I guess? Though both the databook and tiering system are from the manga (making it a direct source).

Tart reacted to Minou actually, looking at the manga each time they struck blows Tart was simply blocking her attack. The only exceptions are two times, when Tart attacked her back and when Tart pushed Minou back, but Minou was struck both times without being able to do anything. It should also probably be mentioned she didn't even want to kill her, rather she left her alone to faint.

Well yeah, humans are a constant producer of despair, she would grow more powerful regardless.
 
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