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Colonel_Krukov

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I've always been a bit iffy on having verse specific powers and abilities as a page. Imho they belong in a blog rather than a powers and abilities page.
 

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Delete the page. It's inaccurate on top of unnecessary when we have a page for the entire species.
  1. The type 2 is nonsensical; wounds like that kill most xenomorphs in more relevant media.
  2. We had a long thread about Xenomorph regeneration in the past. We settled on At least Mid-Low, possibly High-Mid. I'm still in favor of just Mid-Low; again, said injuries kill xenomorphs in most relevant media.
  3. "Ash describes the alien to not be clouded by morality or remorse." Because it's a fucking animal.
Just update the Xenomorph page with stuff like this.
 
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A lot of the things we contested were still there, and you should have made a thread about it.
You can always make it now, so it can be discussed in pubblic and not only in the blog.
Pokemon physiology has also been debated in the past, and as you can see from the current discussion on the Xenomorph Physiology, those kind of verse-specific pages need to be discussed and evaluated by more people.
 
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*Sigh* Alright, I'll get rid of the controversial stuff.
Just make a thread about it and let all the people discuss everything, I think it's the best way to proceed.
I'm not giving orders to you, that's just how things should work when it comes to particular and controversial pages like that.
Everyone should debate these kind of pages with others, not just you, look at what happened to Xenomorph physiology today
 
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Guesswork statistics for a featless rocket that isn’t even used as a weapon
 
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That isn't a factor here. It wasn't used like a weapon and the quality of the profile is poor guesswork, especially the speed that isn't at all Superhuman.
 

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I think that splitting up the still acceptable mythology profile pages all over the place seems very impractical, as it makes it much harder for our visitors to find and easily overview them, and it is also practical to keep the list of all members who are knowledgeable about mythology, so we can contact them.
 

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That is not what I meant. I just tried to explain that it is easier to find the remaining mythology pages, that are based on specific old works such as Journey to the West and The Illiad, if they are assembled in a single verse page for the time being.
 
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Bump?
 
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This power is way too redundant and oddly specific, it doesn't help that the description basically goes nowhere concrete beyond it being related to Darkness Manipulation, supporting it being redundant.
 
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Personally, i think it could be useful. Animated Shadows have been a power for ages, and often accompany other powers, such as Durability Negation or Telepathy by interacting with other shadows. But the page as it is right now is far too barebones to be applicable to anything, and would need a solid touch-up before ever being used.
 

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I deleted the redirect.

Animated Shadow is a fairly common power, and can be kept, but if somebody could improve on the quality of the page, that would be appreciated of course.
 
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Animated Shadow is a fairly common power, and can be kept, but if somebody could improve on the quality of the page, that would be appreciated of course.
Ehhh... I guess I can start by asking what exactly makes it different from Darkness Manipulation, it can be a subset of it and all (Time Stop to Time Manip, Plot Manipulation to Fate Manipulation...), but on what regard? Right now it seems too vague to know directly, giving an impression of there being hardly any difference between it and (The meant to be broader) Darkness Manipulation.
Rewording the page for a particular subset of Darkness Manipulation would also leave it obsolote on some pages that link to it.
Is it really worth the effort to keep when we can actually just link to Darkness Manipulation? I don't mind if it stays so long it remains with a legitimate use, but as said before, it's simply redundant currently.
Also, just cheched, only about 50 pages have it indexed, that doesn't seem too common compared to the amount Darkness Manipulation holds.
 
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It is a much more limited and specific power, and is common enough to be kept.

In addition, it would require quite a lot of editing to modify all of the pages that link to it, and give us no benefit in return.

This is also not the right place to decide deletions of prominent pages that require lots of editing afterwards.
 
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It is a much more limited and specific power, and is common enough to be kept.

In addition, it would require quite a lot of editing to modify all of the pages that link to it, and give us no benefit in return.

This is also not the right place to decide deletions of prominent pages that require lots of editing afterwards.
How so? As I've said before, right now it's too vague beyond being related to Darkness Manipulation, and editing the wording so it's more concrete would also affect other pages, Tllmbrg also pointed out that it's mishandled in pages as well, and as said before it's also seemingly unecessary to have around for indexing purposes when it does nothing but bring needless redundancy to Darkness Manipulation, respectively.
Hellfire Manipulation had far more pages with it indexed and got removed, this shouldn't be an issue if the staff is willing to handle less than 50 pages, plus other members can help on its removal from profiles if this ends up being the case.

Also, it's not a prominent page either, it's right at the bottom of popularity in terms of Powers and Abilities pages. As for the topic, it can be moved to another thread if you think it's best.

As for this, now that I notice...
I think that splitting up the still acceptable mythology profile pages all over the place seems very impractical, as it makes it much harder for our visitors to find and easily overview them, and it is also practical to keep the list of all members who are knowledgeable about mythology, so we can contact them.
I'm just going to point out that the Supporters/Opponents/Neutral section now is outdated (Most of the list was knowledgeable regarding pages that are now deleted), so I would support dividing it into multiple verse pages. As discussed in the thread, the pages that remain are their own "legitimate" verse and so there's no need to contradict that with the "composite" aspect there as well. Keeping a category just to organize pages that fall in this criteria (instead of a "composite" verse page that breaks standards) would be the best alternative if keeping a way for users to easily find them is really needed, if anything.
 
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If you start a staff discussion for living shadow, and get experienced members to help out with removing it, updating darkness manipulation with a new sub-section for it, and either creating a redirect link or updating all of the pages that currently link to it, that is fine, but this is the wrong place to make such a big decision.
 
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Well, in any case the Supporters/Opponents/Neutral section should be cleaned-up so it only features users knowledgeable in the currently indexed stuff, I'm fine with the name change and for the page to stay if no one minds. However, I still think it would be weird and out of standard, we don't do verse pages for stuff like "horror", "futuristic", "fantasy television" and other sort of genres, categories are normally used for those, and as the Supporters/Opponents/Neutral section essencially has to be redone anyways, letting the users eventually manage those in their own verse pages would be best.

Anyways, I'll make the staff-only thread regarding Animated Shadow thanks to your authorization.

Edit: The thread is here.
 
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See the problem I have with the concept of Supporters/Opponents/Neutral, Mythology is a MASSIVE field in terms of scope, and all of these will be extremely indepth topics which would end up being their own fields.

I promise you that no one is as experienced in, say, Chinese mythos as they are in Mayan, Roman, Persian or Classical English mythos.

A known fact are that these are actual subjects people master and have a degree and jobs on, and not something like say, Dragon Ball. So I have a problem regarding this notion.

Recall a while back we had a person who stated he possessed a degree in Medieval Norse history, and how they pointed out how absolutely garbage our profiles were.
 

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Is it fine if we rename the Mythology page to Epic Literature as a compromise solution that should eventually hopefully solve much of this problem?
 
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Renaming the page would solve the problems that an umbrella term such as Mythology causes.
Also, the supporters should be only those who are experienced in the books from which the profiles listed come from.
And every time that someone makes a profile for a character that comes from one of these books (even those that aren't currently in the page), it would be added as a supporter.
Even though we don't have pages for specific genres, this is a different situation, and a verse page is more efficient than a category.
 
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Well, it's only different out of how it was handled in the past, that doesn't mean it necessarily should stay the same now on that regard. The Supporters/Opponents/Neutral section would also become messy like before as each member would only cover a "part" of it, rather than all of it, it would be like as if we made a verse page for classic cartoons and expected synergy between the knowledgeable members on such a "verse", even if the scope is too variable for that.
It's also not a verse where the works remotely cross between each other enought to stay (See Nintendo, Disney and Dreamworks, and even those seem dubious as we don't take those crossovers as canon to the whole thing), so currently it's not a valid verse page concept to begin with either.
 
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Well, it is better than the alternative options, and our members could gradually add or remove their usernames from the list depending on if it still fits.

Anyway, can I please get some replies regarding if I can rename the page title now. I am very tired and overworked, and do not have the energy to deal with any more of this nonsense.
 
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Well, if the page is really to stay (Which really could be debated further, respectively), renaming it to that would be best as it represents the content better.
 
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Jotaro Kujo (OVA) Why does this profile even exist? We're not allowed to just make profiles for every different adaptation of something. It needs to have a vastly different plot, which the OVA doesn't.
 
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Throwing a different object is not enough of a change to deserve its own set of profiles.

There need to be MAJOR changes to the progression of the story. Not just minor changes within the same story framework.
 
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Thanks for the link.

@Ionliosite and @Genericstickman were the two saying it's different enough, and I strongly disagree with their assessments.

Genericstickman said that some fights are different. So what? We need much more major changes than the same fights happening in somewhat different ways.

Ionliosite said that they're shortened and altered versions of the manga. If those alterations are in the similar vein to what other people have mentioned, they won't be enough, and I don't think being shortened matters either. We don't have different profiles for the 2 Madoka Magica movies that were a shortened version of the anime.

(A staff member will need to ping them to get their attention since I'm not staff)
 
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If removing a good chunk of the story + altering the parts that remain + adding new material isn't enough for having a new profile, then I'm 100% we should be deleting certain other profiles if this comes to pass.

I'm all honesty, maybe a thread would be a good idea, since clarifying better the rules on alternate versions of character can't be a harmful thing.
 
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I agree on making an standard, currently it's just on case by case, but to avoid double standards it could be a good idea to try to get some minimal criteria in.
 
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I think removing meaningless "monster of the week" encounters, occasionally altering fight scenes, and adding a handful of short scenes that don't affect the plot, shouldn't be considered enough for having a new profile, as the overall story remains the exact same, merely condensed and with relatively minor changes to the action. It's not like any of that stuff meaningfully impacts the story.

Aside from removing monster of the week stuff to the degree JoJo did (as part 3 just had so much of that filler), these are the sorts of changes that happen all the time in all sorts of adaptations.

But I do think getting standards is good.
 

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I think that we already have a perfectly good Canon page, and that covering every single detail of every potential situation is near impossible and would rob us of any chance at flexibility.

For this particular case, I think that our rules allow the profile page to exist as long as the story is sufficiently different. Where exactly to draw the line is somewhat subjective though.
 
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The disagreement here is mostly over what counts as the story being "significantly different".
 

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Agnaa: I understood that, yes.

Anyway, what do the rest of you think of the page that Bobsican linked to? It does not seem to be a disaster to me. We could just remove a few links and adjust the speed section, or as Crzer07 (who created the page) to help clean it up via his message wall.
 

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Yes, it can be easily fixed. Not a gone case at all, if someone is willing to put a little bit of work.
 

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Agreed. Is somebody willing to clean it up and contact Crzer07 via his wiki message wall?
 

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Six profiles from the same user. All only have images for characters and nothing else. The user seems to be new and I think he may think that the profiles can be edited later or is a weird form of troll. As I look at his activity the 7th profile is in the making and maybe more.

Edit: Looking at his message wall, seems Medeus and Antvasima already talked to him about his 'editing' but he still posted.

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He posted the 9th and likely will continue to post till someone take care of them and likely of him.
 
Mr. Bambu contacted him, he also deleted both King of Knights and Phantom Blaster Dragon.

Edit: hmm, This "Profile" is a thread. No, Literally. (it's not the same OP as the one who created the pages me and Zaratt pointed out.)

Edit²: the OP himself deleted everything he wrote, but the profile is still there.
 

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More things to delete.

Goku_vs_ywach

 
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What about this verse? Every page in it is bad to an extent and every supporter of it is either banned or inactive.

Koyji Mujo: Kind of dubious justification for 6-A AP, for which it provides no scans anyway, no justifications for speed, lifting strength or strikikg strength.

Kazuma Torisuna: Nothing for speed, nothing for lifting strength, one key scales from Kyoji.

Straight Cougar: No justifications for speed and lifting strength again.

Ryuho Ryu: 7-A by scaling to a 7-B, meh justification for 6-B, 6-A by scaling to the first character. Nothing for speed or lifting strength.

And also, while every page has their Powers and Abilities well explained, it doesn't provide scans for any of them. Or for anything at all for that matter.
 
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If no supporter and no other knowledgeable member (if there are any) are up to correct/fix it, then it should be deleted.
 

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The verse DxGenesis linked to can be removed. Is somebody willing to handle it?
 
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There is a few things wrong about this page.

The most glaring is that there is no proper calcs or citations for the page. The second part is the feat for island level was done by a Scirocco-class ship; which is larger then the Rocinante which is a light attack frigate.

Finally and this kind is the big reason; the PDC's in the universe vastly vary depending on size since they are essentially machine guns that target torpedos with some ships like the Roci having close range PDCs that can auto-track torpedo's. (Which makes it not hypersonic.)

Easier to delete the page since the universe has plenty to get calculations for, but currently we have nothing right now.
 
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That seems fine to me. Are any content moderators already following this thread and willing to handle the deletions, or should I send notifications?
 
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It is fine to remain if you are willing to remove the inactive links and fix the speed rating.
Done, although the result seems a bit barebones. I also set the Lifting Strength to Unknown as well out of the justification not really matching for that sort of purpose.
 
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Too many stats rated as "Unknown" (Most notably AP) and the speed holds poor justifications that even makes that stat questionable as well.
 
Hello! I'm the one who originally made the Rawr page, I'll read through the thread at some later point, but can someone give me a quick summary of what's being talked about?
 
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Basically, the Speed stat could use better elaboration, and most importantly an "actual" AP tier, right now it hints at poor research with the amounts of details given on that regard.
 
Right. Unfortunately in the Rawr's game of origin, there aren't really any destruction feats, and the Rawrs themselves aren't seen harming anything except each other. One would assume they'd be stronger than humans due to being used by humans to fight battles, so possibly 9-C, but I figured that wouldn't cut it as a strong enough justification.
 
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Do we have any details on their size? If not I guess we can default to 10-B in lack of better options.
I mean, people can make even rats fight, that doesn't make them 9-C.
 
As far as speed, the characters regularly use electricity to attack, which can handily be dodged

And yes, in terms of size they appear to usually be around the size of a cat. The smaller ones can easily be held in both arms and sit in a child's high-chair, and a fully grown one can sit comfortably in an adult human chair.
 
They have feats of being able to make each other bleed and such, so no fear of stone walls. But the primary threat comes from their status effects and probability manipulation
 
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Cats are rated as 10-C, so I guess we can just go with something like "Varies from 10-C to 10-B", "higher via stat amping" also should be removed, we don't add that to every single profile with Statistics Amplification for AP. Also, the standard speed of lightning only applies if it meets the criteria here, which seemingly isn't the case, and the SoL justification also blatantly is a no currently per this standard. So the speed could also go to just "Unknown".
 

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I handled the deletions that DxGenesis and SinsOfMan brought up earlier.
 

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These page seem largely based on guesswork statistics. Should we delete them, or is somebody willing to make calculations instead?

 
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I do not see what is wrong with scaling from the durability feat. But the context of the other feats might need evaluation
 
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