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Can someone explain to me how this profile even exists where the first notable skill is:
  • Creation Pregnancy: The cheat skill granted to Haru by God. When a man ********** in Haru she will receive a copy of his experience points and skills.
redo of healer at least the guts to make a find able verse page, but at least that kept scailing and powers SFW this skipped straight into MGQ paradox territory with that pregnancy skill description. I don't know it just looks a little hypocritical for this profile to just exist cause even the nutshack that has the maturity warning doesn't go that far.
Oh, I tried to get this deleted once. Multiple explicit mentions of rape as well, it's a verse where sex acts as the main framing device up until the very end where I've heard it becomes a revenge story. Even so, I don't think we'd allow something like Berserk if That One Scene made up 95% of the entire goddamn series and was all it was known for. I still agree with its deletion.

I vaguely remember being implied to be anti-sex worker because I asked for it to be deleted, ******* lmao
 
Oh, I tried to get this deleted once. Multiple explicit mentions of rape as well, it's a verse where sex acts as the main framing device up until the very end where I've heard it becomes a revenge story. Even so, I don't think we'd allow something like Berserk if That One Scene made up 95% of the entire goddamn series and was all it was known for. I still agree with its deletion.

I vaguely remember being implied to be anti-sex worker because I asked for it to be deleted, ******* lmao
Agreed, it seems the down and dirty is the main subject of the series, what's good for the MGQ is good for the sex worker and yeah.
 
There is no new arguments at all. I don't know why bother trying it once again.
Perhaps because... hear me out... it's not appropriate for this wiki?

We can't just hide behind precedents instead of talking about a subject just because it was rebuked. If you don't want it deleted, then give direct reasons.
 
Can someone explain to me how this profile even exists where the first notable skill is:
  • Creation Pregnancy: The cheat skill granted to Haru by God. When a man ********** in Haru she will receive a copy of his experience points and skills.
redo of healer at least the guts to make a find able verse page, but at least that kept scailing and powers SFW this skipped straight into MGQ paradox territory with that pregnancy skill description. I don't know it just looks a little hypocritical for this profile to just exist cause even the nutshack that has the maturity warning doesn't go that far.
@DontTalkDT since you were the one arguing against this profile deletion a year ago, I think calling you should be appropriate.
 
Perhaps because... hear me out... it's not appropriate for this wiki?

We can't just hide behind precedents instead of talking about a subject just because it was rebuked. If you don't want it deleted, then give direct reasons.
You repeated the same arguments, nothing new. Like if you want to debate with DT, get something new in the table.
 
@DontTalkDT since you were the one arguing against this profile deletion a year ago, I think calling you should be appropriate.
Oh yeah, one more thing, this profile has no scans or references. Even worse, the images in the galleries are not in English, so most people can't verify if they're actually doing what is said in the profile.
 
@DontTalkDT since you were the one arguing against this profile deletion a year ago, I think calling you should be appropriate.
Honestly, we had a long debate about, so why do we need to have it again?

For the point brought up: That's a neutral description. It's not more sexualized than a school biology lesson on reproduction. As such it is in fact SFW. It's also not something that would feature in battle (Haru does no "sex fights" if that's where your thoughts went).

As for the verse page: The point of a verse page is to list all characters of the verse. I generally don't make a verse page before I didn't create at least 2 characters for the verse. It's also no requirement, so I don't see what this complaint is about.

Agreed, it seems the down and dirty is the main subject of the series, what's good for the MGQ is good for the sex worker and yeah.
It isn't. As said in the past debate, the verse is not **** or anything. It's Level 3 on our content scale as was already made clear in the last debate.
 
Oh yeah, one more thing, this profile has no scans or references. Even worse, the images in the galleries are not in English, so most people can't verify if they're actually doing what is said in the profile.
The profile was created before that became a requirement and we have explicitely decided that for all profiles that were made before that time it is in fact not a requirement to have them.
Given, basically all feats are from 1 chapter in volume 1, so I can add the 1 reference necessary if you want.

The existing scans are only there for illustrative purposes, not to provide evidence. Hence they are not english because... the manga isn't translated that far yet.
 
It isn't. As said in the past debate, the verse is not **** or anything. It's Level 3 on our content scale as was already made clear in the last debate.
If pornographic materials are not the majority of the story, than what is? Because from the profile, it seems that her "ability" is the main focus of the story.
The profile was created before that became a requirement and we have explicitly decided that for all profiles that were made before that time it is in fact not a requirement to have them.
Given, basically all feats are from 1 chapter in volume 1, so I can add the 1 reference necessary if you want.
Articles have been required to have scans in some form before references were made a rule, and yet this page still has none. This page was made in 2020, the rule was implemented before then.
 
It's not more sexualized than a school biology lesson on reproduction.
I don't remember this part from my biology class.
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Also, let's not forget that a 3 on the content scale is when the sexual content is not the focus. As in, you could take the sex out and not much would change. But what happens if you take the sex out of this series? Well, it wouldn't ******* exist, because the protagonist's whole power set relies on sex, so that probably suggests it's above something like Fate or The Witcher.
 
How the heck is this a level 3 on the content scale, being compared to stories like the Witcher, in which sex aren't even CLOSE to the main focus of the story, or the characters?

Geralt of Rivia's powers don't revolve around sex. The MC of Devilman isn't constantly going around ******* people as the main plot of the story.

The MC of this particular story literally has people *********** into her and inseminating her as the main plot and how she gets stronger. How could you even compare this to something like The Witcher or Devilman???
 
Honestly, we had a long debate about, so why do we need to have it again?

For the point brought up: That's a neutral description. It's not more sexualized than a school biology lesson on reproduction. As such it is in fact SFW. It's also not something that would feature in battle (Haru does no "sex fights" if that's where your thoughts went).
By that logic interspecies reviewers is a school biology class "anime". Also no one was talking about sex fights since no one mentioned her using creation pregnancy in a fight.
As for the verse page: The point of a verse page is to list all characters of the verse. I generally don't make a verse page before I didn't create at least 2 characters for the verse. It's also no requirement, so I don't see what this complaint is about.
Redo of healer has a verse page and one character with plenty of thread discussion Haru has the opposite, no thread discussion without atleast year long gaps, no content revision, not even anying thrown into general discussion. I'm just pointing out that haru's page is clearly put on a LOW radar for a reason.
 
I don't remember this part from my biology class.
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Also, let's not forget that a 3 on the content scale is when the sexual content is not the focus. As in, you could take the sex out and not much would change. But what happens if you take the sex out of this series? Well, it wouldn't ******* exist, because the protagonist's whole power set relies on sex, so that probably suggests it's above something like Fate or The Witcher.
The series features a prostitute, yeah. But if you just take out the sex scenes (which are not erotic in the slightest and far less frequent than you try to make it seem) it would still work as a series. You would still have the parts where she chats with customers, the fights, the chapters about her playing in a sports tournament, the chapters in which she gives relationship advice to her priestess friend, the Christmas party which nobody understands in that world, Haru defying social norms by hanging out in cafes with a group of just women, her inspiring the nice chef of a local restaurant to create dishes that are less fat and greasy to suit women's tastes better. You could still do the scene where she invents a new style of music via her guitar skills of her former world in a slightly different context. You could still have the chapter where she goes out to watch Chiba fight in the colosseum. The chapter where she plays detective to catch a panty thief could come straight from an ecchi anime. You could still have her romance with the demon lord that ends in the confrontation when she fights her way into the castle. You could have the priestess side story chapter. You could have the chapter from Chiba's perspective about how he wanted to save Haru like a hero some day. Or the chapter about the adventurer party. Or the chapter about making Ramen.

Honestly, I'm fairly sure I can go through every single chapter in the two volumes, state what each chapter is about, and it will never be primarily about sexual activities. Want me to do it?

If pornographic materials are not the majority of the story, than what is? Because from the profile, it seems that her "ability" is the main focus of the story.
That Haru has any ability is only revealed towards the end of Volume 1. It's only the focus of the profile, because this is a wiki that indexes stats and abilities.

Articles have been required to have scans in some form before references were made a rule, and yet this page still has none. This page was made in 2020, the rule was implemented before then.
No, they actually didn't. I was a staff member back then, too, you know? They already needed calcs for stats if they were superhuman, but Haru's profile has those by common feats stuff, which was acceptable at the time.
 
Hell, let's use another verse that's a 3 but in a different way.

Hellraiser

When your main antagonists(Or protagonists in certain books) focus on being such big masochists pain=Pleasure and they can't tell the difference, that's a decent red flag already, but add in occurances like Pinhead literally
turning someone into vaginas, legs, penises, ramming literal flaming barbed wire up Lucifer's ass, yeah, and those are just highlights and things ive heard from someone whos actually read the books

But, thing is, you could take all of that out and maybe the Cenobites would be less interesting or not really make sense, but you'd still have a story and a solid verse.
 
By that logic interspecies reviewers is a school biology class "anime". Also no one was talking about sex fights since no one mentioned her using creation pregnancy in a fight.
That is not even remotely a realistic comparision.

Redo of healer has a verse page and one character with plenty of thread discussion Haru has the opposite, no thread discussion without atleast year long gaps, no content revision, not even anying thrown into general discussion. I'm just pointing out that haru's page is clearly put on a LOW radar for a reason.
I have made matches with her. She has never needed a CRT because I created the profile when all content was out. And why would I make a general discussion thread?

Haru is not put on more of a "low radar" than other pages I make. Recently I made Amon, which is even more isolated since I didn't use him for anything yet.
 
Hell, let's use another verse that's a 3 but in a different way.

Hellraiser

When your main antagonists(Or protagonists in certain books) focus on being such big masochists pain=Pleasure and they can't tell the difference, that's a decent red flag already, but add in occurances like Pinhead literally
turning someone into vaginas, legs, penises, ramming literal flaming barbed wire up Lucifer's ass, yeah, and those are just highlights and things ive heard from someone whos actually read the books

But, thing is, you could take all of that out and maybe the Cenobites would be less interesting or not really make sense, but you'd still have a story and a solid verse.
Hellraiser is fire though so it passes 🔥 [S/]
 
Hell, let's use another verse that's a 3 but in a different way.

Hellraiser

When your main antagonists(Or protagonists in certain books) focus on being such big masochists pain=Pleasure and they can't tell the difference, that's a decent red flag already, but add in occurances like Pinhead literally
turning someone into vaginas, legs, penises, ramming literal flaming barbed wire up Lucifer's ass, yeah, and those are just highlights and things ive heard from someone whos actually read the books

But, thing is, you could take all of that out and maybe the Cenobites would be less interesting or not really make sense, but you'd still have a story and a solid verse.
Yeah, same for Haru. Want me to tell you the contents of every single chapter?
 
I think that if Monster Girl Quest profiles aren't allowed then neither should Redo of Healer or JK Haru is a Sex Worker in Another World.

At this point, bring Rance from the Rance series to this wiki if those profiles are allowed.
 
That Haru has any ability is only revealed towards the end of Volume 1. It's only the focus of the profile, because this is a wiki that indexes stats and abilities.
You clearly don't understand, I'm talking about how she needs sex to have these abilities. Almost nothing in this story would exist without her being a prostitute. There would be no "revenge" plot without her having powers she got from having sex. There would be no chats with "customers" because they're only there because she's a prostitute. The world itself forces her to become a prostitute due to misogyny, or am I missing something here.
No, they actually didn't. I was a staff member back then, too, you know? They already needed calcs for stats if they were superhuman, but Haru's profile has those by common feats stuff, which was acceptable at the time.
I was also on this site back then (not sure if I had an account?), and every profile I saw had scans.

I mean scans as in actually evidence for powers, such as images. The page has none, has no references for anything either, and the gallery images aren't translated to English either. Even if scans were not 100% required, any half-decent page in 2020 has them to actually show evidence for powers.

You cannot just hide behind "but pages didn't require scans!" because even if you can prove it wasn't necessary for back then, it was most 100% the norm and expected for you to at least give a little evidence.
 
You cannot just hide behind "but pages didn't require scans!" because even if you can prove it wasn't necessary for back then, it was most 100% the norm and expected for you to at least give a little evidence
When I joined you could make profiles without scans

Just explanations were required

I hardly use scans even now since References do my job for me

Scans are appreciated, but not required
 
As much I can see the other side, I have to agree with DontTalk here, something having NSFW elements as part of the premise doesn't make it straight up **** for the purposes of the Acceptable Rating Scale, and the series clearly doesn't even focus on that.
Although I do think the quality of the pages could be made better, preferably with scans for the sake of directly corroborating what's claimed in a profile.
 
I mean scans as in actually evidence for powers, such as images. The page has none, has no references for anything either, and the gallery images aren't translated to English either. Even if scans were not 100% required, any half-decent page in 2020 has them to actually show evidence for powers.

You cannot just hide behind "but pages didn't require scans!" because even if you can prove it wasn't necessary for back then, it was most 100% the norm and expected for you to at least give a little evidence.
There seems to be a misunderstanding. The existing rule applies only to profiles created after the rule was put into effect. In any other case, the rule explicitly states that there is no requirement to delete the profile or be bound by any obligations related to it.

Here is the thread:

Here is the exact guidelines:
New pages generally will be. While there will be some exceptions; if a profile is for a single movie there's no way to further separate those references without timestamps which can be inconsistent between releases. If a profile is for a character from a single video game who can perform the same feats in every level, it wouldn't make sense to cite one level over another. If an exception like this applies, please say so in an edit summary when first creating the page.

If a page doesn't include references, a staff member may ask you to add them or provide an exception. If you don't explain why references wouldn't be useful, or show that you're working on adding them, the page may be deleted.

Old pages without references will not be deleted, but help in gradually adding them would be appreciated.
The absence of references does not result in the deletion of older pages, but this enforcement has an impact on newly created profiles.
When I joined you could make profiles without scans

Just explanations were required

I hardly use scans even now since References do my job for me

Scans are appreciated, but not required
Furthermore, this is indeed the case. All that was required was an explanatory addition. The rule itself is relatively recent. If we were to apply this logic to the entire fandom, it would entail the deletion of nearly three-quarters of all pages.
 
As much I can see the other side, I have to agree with DontTalk here, something having NSFW elements as part of the premise doesn't make it straight up **** for the purposes of the Acceptable Rating Scale, and the series clearly doesn't even focus on that.
Although I do think the quality of the pages could be made better, preferably with scans for the sake of directly corroborating what's claimed in a profile.
Holy shit I had the dejavu of the century

This means Rape and Hentai is allowed? Intresting…
 
There seems to be a misunderstanding. The existing rule applies only to profiles created after the rule was put into effect. In any other case, the rule explicitly states that there is no requirement to delete the profile or be bound by any obligations related to it.

Here is the thread:
There seems to be a misunderstanding. I'm not talking mainly about references, I'm talking about scans. They're not the same thing.
 
Scans have never been mandatory nor required. In fact, there is a valid reason for this, as the permanence of links cannot be guaranteed. However, by providing references, you have a reliable source that can be consistently checked.

At the very least, the profile must adhere to established standards.
 
It was not him, it was me, though reding it again i can see that it needs some... better wording and formatting.
Like, grammar stuff or something? I'm open to that.

You clearly don't understand, I'm talking about how she needs sex to have these abilities. Almost nothing in this story would exist without her being a prostitute. There would be no "revenge" plot without her having powers she got from having sex. There would be no chats with "customers" because they're only there because she's a prostitute. The world itself forces her to become a prostitute due to misogyny, or am I missing something here.
You miss the part where that has no relevance. What you're doing there is like saying "Oshi no Ko is ****, because if the MC didn't get pregnant as a teenager the story wouldn't happen". That's just not relevant. The question isn't whether some plot device technically hinges on sexuality, but whether the story is all about sex. And it isn't.

How she wound up with her abilities has no relevance for the big picture. She could have just been given them by god to much the same result. She didn't actively try to gain them or anything. Likewise, she could just have ended up as a barmaid to have those conversations.

The reason those things happen just isn't the focus of the events. So they are not relevant to the question whether it is the "main focus". We go by our content rating scale, so unless you can proof the main focus requirement your argument has no relevance.

I was also on this site back then (not sure if I had an account?), and every profile I saw had scans.

I mean scans as in actually evidence for powers, such as images. The page has none, has no references for anything either, and the gallery images aren't translated to English either. Even if scans were not 100% required, any half-decent page in 2020 has them to actually show evidence for powers.

You cannot just hide behind "but pages didn't require scans!" because even if you can prove it wasn't necessary for back then, it was most 100% the norm and expected for you to at least give a little evidence.
Actually, I can. I can also show lots of profiles that have followed those same standards. If you think it was the norm, then you haven't been looking into obscure verses enough.

Regardless, as said, I'm fine with adding the 1 (or 2) references the profile would require by modern standards. But don't pretend like I have to. The rules say otherwise.
 
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