Profile Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)

[Antvasima]

If the pages are not unreliable, I personally don't mind if we keep the verse.

 

[Abstractions]

It's safe to delete. @Tllmbrg

 

[Tllmbrg]

Done

 

[Tllmbrg]

A batch of Dragon Ball pages of poor quality:

Dracula Man

Dracula Man (ドラキュラマン), is a vampire who works as one of Fortuneteller Baba's fighters. Tier: Unknown Name: Dracula Man Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male Age: 598 Classification: Vampire Powers and Abilities: Transformation, Muay Thai Expert, Flight, Longevity Attack Potency: Unknown (The only way...

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Most stats are just unknown for what seems like no good reason, powers have no reasoning

Hacchan

Android 8 (人造人間8号, Jinzōningen Hachi-Gō) is Dr. Gero's eighth Android creation. He is designed to serve the Red Ribbon Army, but is seen as faulty because of his good-spirited nature. Android 8 makes his debut in "The Ninja Split!", the 62nd chapter of the Dragon Ball manga, issued on February...

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Many stats lack a reasoning, some powers aren't explained and the only scan on the page does not work

General White

General White (ホワイト将軍) is a secondary antagonist in Dragon Ball. He is the commander of Muscle Tower which is the Red Ribbon Army's northern fortress. Tier: 9-B Name: White Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Human Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical...

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Speed and AP are not explained and explained poorly respectively

Bacterian

Bacterian is a large, filthy man who competes in the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament. He is a homeless man who has never once taken a bath or brushed his teeth in his entire life. He uses his filth and odor to give him an advantage in battle, making it so that his opponent has to hold their...

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Reasoning literally shoots itself in the foot in AP, speed and LS is Unknown for no good reason

Giran

Giran is a large dinosaur that participated in the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament. Despite being initially hostile and ruthless against his opponents, he will come to respect Goku after being defeated by him. Tier: At least 9-A possibly higher Name: Giran Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male...

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Scans do not work and is a composite

Man-Wolf

Man-Wolf is a humanoid wolf who turns into a man by looking at the full moon. He developed a grudge against Master Roshi for destroying the moon and inadvertently leaving him trapped as a humanoid wolf forever. Roshi made up for it by hypnotizing him into thinking he was looking at a full moon...

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Speed and LS have no reasoning for no good reasoning

Eis Shenron

Eis Shenron (三星龍, San Shinron; lit. "Three-Star Dragon") is one of the seven Shadow Dragons, the sixth to be fought by Goku. Eis is the dragon of the Three-Star Dragon Ball, and is the twin brother of Nuova Shenron. His elemental power is that of ice. Tier: 2-C Name: Eis Shenron Origin: Dragon...

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Poor reasoning all around and LS not having any at all

 

[Antvasima]

A batch of Dragon Ball pages of poor quality:

Dracula Man

Dracula Man (ドラキュラマン), is a vampire who works as one of Fortuneteller Baba's fighters. Tier: Unknown Name: Dracula Man Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male Age: 598 Classification: Vampire Powers and Abilities: Transformation, Muay Thai Expert, Flight, Longevity Attack Potency: Unknown (The only way...

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Most stats are just unknown for what seems like no good reason, powers have no reasoning

Hacchan

Android 8 (人造人間8号, Jinzōningen Hachi-Gō) is Dr. Gero's eighth Android creation. He is designed to serve the Red Ribbon Army, but is seen as faulty because of his good-spirited nature. Android 8 makes his debut in "The Ninja Split!", the 62nd chapter of the Dragon Ball manga, issued on February...

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Many stats lack a reasoning, some powers aren't explained and the only scan on the page does not work

General White

General White (ホワイト将軍) is a secondary antagonist in Dragon Ball. He is the commander of Muscle Tower which is the Red Ribbon Army's northern fortress. Tier: 9-B Name: White Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Human Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical...

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Speed and AP are not explained and explained poorly respectively

Bacterian

Bacterian is a large, filthy man who competes in the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament. He is a homeless man who has never once taken a bath or brushed his teeth in his entire life. He uses his filth and odor to give him an advantage in battle, making it so that his opponent has to hold their...

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Reasoning literally shoots itself in the foot in AP, speed and LS is Unknown for no good reason

Giran

Giran is a large dinosaur that participated in the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament. Despite being initially hostile and ruthless against his opponents, he will come to respect Goku after being defeated by him. Tier: At least 9-A possibly higher Name: Giran Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male...

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Scans do not work and is a composite

Eis Shenron

Eis Shenron (三星龍, San Shinron; lit. "Three-Star Dragon") is one of the seven Shadow Dragons, the sixth to be fought by Goku. Eis is the dragon of the Three-Star Dragon Ball, and is the twin brother of Nuova Shenron. His elemental power is that of ice. Tier: 2-C Name: Eis Shenron Origin: Dragon...

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Poor reasoning all around and LS not having any at all

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @SamanPatou @Theglassman12 @Gilad_Hyperstar @Eseseso @EMagoIorSouI @Vietthai96

What do you think, and would you be willing to improve on the page qualities if necessary?

 

[Eseseso]

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @SamanPatou @Theglassman12 @Gilad_Hyperstar @Eseseso @EMagoIorSouI @Vietthai96

What do you think, and would you be willing to improve on the page qualities if necessary?

Thanks for referring to me, but with all do respect I couldn't care less if all of them were deleted FRA.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks anyway.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @SamanPatou @Theglassman12 @Gilad_Hyperstar @Eseseso @EMagoIorSouI @Vietthai96

What do you think, and would you be willing to improve on the page qualities if necessary?

I would probably prefer these pages being remade from scratch with better reasoning and scaling, I may get to it one day but for now I have no problem with them getting deleted

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the input.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, might as well delete them and rebuild them from scratch.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Let's wait a bit longer for more input before Tllmbrg goes ahead though.

Also, the image links to those pages would need to be removed from the Dragon Ball verse page in conjunction.

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm fine with them being deleted, at best we can keep Eis Shenron, but if i get outvoted then no problem to me

 

[Antvasima]

Would you and other DB supporters be willing to improve on the Eis Shenron page, given that it seems more important than the other related pages that were suggested for deletion above?

Anyway, the other ones can probably be removed now.

 

[Dereck03]

I can delete the pages, or should i leave it to TIImb when he comes online?

 

[Tllmbrg]

I am here

 

[Dereck03]

Time to work then buddy. He showed up just when someone was threatening to take his job.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Ninja Murasaki

Ninja Murasaki (ムラサキ曹長) is a secondary antagonist who appears in Dragon Ball. He is the second-in-command of Muscle Tower under General White. Tier: Unknown physically. 8-C with weapons Name: Murasaki Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male Age: 35 Classification: Human, Ninja Powers and Abilities...

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Buyon

Buyon (ブヨン) is a giant, round-bellied pink monster that lives inside the Muscle Tower. The creature is General White's secret weapon and possible pet. Tier: 8-C Name: Buyon Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Alien, Monster Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical...

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Colonel Silver

Colonel Silver (シルバー大佐) is a high-ranking Red Ribbon Army officer. Silver is first seen in the anime storming homes and looking for Dragon Balls, and eventually, his search brings him and his men to an Antique Shop Owner who tried to con him with a fake Dragon Ball. Silver easily sees through...

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Major Metallitron

Major Metallitron (メタリック軍曹) is an antagonist who appears in the Dragon Ball. He is an android created by the Red Ribbon Army, and Goku's second challenge in the Muscle Tower. Tier: 8-C Name: Major Metallitron Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Android Powers and...

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I also found this, are this okay to nuke too since they're of similar quality to the above pages?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually, Eis Shenron should be scaled from Nuova Shenron. He was implied to be comparable if not superior in Dragon Ball GT.
Though, I do agree that Giran, Bacterian, and what not are bare bones and poor quality.
Class P lifting strength to everyone in the Toei/Anime continuity also have Class P lifting strength scaling from this by the looks of it.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Anyways first batch I brought was nuked.
So I'm just waiting for opinions on the second one

 

[SamanPatou]

What do you think, and would you be willing to improve on the page qualities if necessary?

They can be remade fairly quickly, since all of them have little appearances, but likewise you can argue that some of them are too minor to deserve a page, especially plain humans such as White or one-offs like Dracula Man.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I think that we should wait a bit longer for @ApiesDeathbyLazors first.

Anyways it has been another two days, can I delete Blood Lad now?

 

[Antvasima]

Anyways it has been another two days, can I delete Blood Lad now?

I am not sure. Given that images displaying several feats have been linked to in the pages, I would prefer if somebody calculates them, and corrects the pages afterwards, instead.

Would you be willing to handle it, @Armorchompy ?

 

[Tllmbrg]

Again this does not solve the issue of speed and LS at all, I really don't think we should keep a verse where several major statistics are basically unaccounted for with no one to revise it

 

[Armorchompy]

They're vampires, I think a generic superhuman in LS and Speed is reasonable.

Also there's literally one non-calculated feat. But yeah I can give it a shot.

 

[Armorchompy]

here

 

[Antvasima]

They're vampires, I think a generic superhuman in LS and Speed is reasonable.

Also there's literally one non-calculated feat. But yeah I can give it a shot.

Thank you, but I think that there were more uncalculated linked feats than that. Please check through all of the character profile pages for further information.

 

[Armorchompy]

All I saw was one feat with a calculation, a standard feat and the one I calculated. And the one that is calculated is rendered obsolete by my calculation.

 

[Antvasima]

here

Thank you for helping out.

@Therefir @DMUA @CloverDragon03 @Psychomaster35

Would any of you be willing to evaluate it please?

All I saw was one feat with a calculation, a standard feat and the one I calculated. And the one that is calculated is rendered obsolete by my calculation.

Well, not all of the characters have the same statistics, and they are based on different feats, so I am not so sure.

 

[Armorchompy]

... As I said, 9-B is a standard feat, 9-A is the one I calculated, and High 8-C has a calculation

 

[Tllmbrg]

They're vampires, I think a generic superhuman in LS and Speed is reasonable.

No.
Just going "It's a supernatural creature, give it random superhuman stats" is bad, so unless someone wants to revise them something should be done about it
Also I'll note the High 8-C calc was not approved and now the 9-A feat was calced to be 8-B by you which means a lot of the ratings need to change, which would require a revision for which there are no active supporters to do (No I don't think just switching the tiers on the page is good since we lack context on if this is even consistent, not to mention the higher end tier for the verse is "At least 8-C....." so)

So yah I don't think some AP calcs are good enough reason to keep the verse

 

[Armorchompy]

No.
Just going "It's a supernatural creature, give it random superhuman stats" is bad, so unless someone wants to revise them something should be done about it
Also I'll note the High 8-C calc was not approved and now the 9-A feat was calced to be 8-B by you which means a lot of the ratings need to change, which would require a revision for which there are no active supporters to do (No I don't think just switching the tiers on the page is good since we lack context on if this is even consistent, not to mention the higher end tier for the verse is "At least 8-C....." so)

No, you said calcs were needed, there's a calc, do your job and apply them instead of trying to come up with excuses, you'd need to prove it's not consistent to begin with anyway.

You disagree with the ratings, research the verse and debunk them instead of just claiming they could be wrong.

 

[Tllmbrg]

No, you said calcs were needed, there's a calc, do your job and apply them instead of trying to come up with excuses, you'd need to prove it's not consistent to begin with anyway.

You are asking me to overhaul two different ratings in the verse, this requires an actual revision by someone who actually knows the verse
Plus again speed and LS lack any valid reasoning and the verse has no active supporters, I fail to see why we should keep the verse even if it has calcs

Just because something has calcs doesn't mean it's good enough to stay

 

[Armorchompy]

You are asking me to overhaul two different ratings in the verse, this requires an actual revision by someone who actually knows the verse

It's literally just replacing numbers. You're a damn content mod, surely you're capable of at least that?

Plus again speed and LS lack any valid reasoning

In your opinion. I think it's fine, if barebones.

and the verse has no active supporters

Which is not a reason for deletion.

I fail to see why we should keep the verse even if it has calcs

Just because something has calcs doesn't mean it's good enough to stay

Unfortunately you're failing to make any actual rational arguments as to why it shouldn't that don't fall into the realm of nitpicking, so.

 

[Tllmbrg]

It's literally just replacing numbers. You're a damn content mod, surely you're capable of at least that?

I refuse to because it's changing entire ratings for what is multiple pages in a verse I do not know without an actual CRT by someone who knows the series

In your opinion. I think it's fine, if barebones.

The barebones of "They're vampires, so they should probably be that"
You need to prove a stat, idk what else to tell you

Which is not a reason for deletion.

There's no one to revise or update the pages to current standards, yes it is

 

[Antvasima]

No infighting among our staff please.

Anyway, were there any linked examples of speed or lifting strength feats that we can calculate and use for scaling?

Tllmbrg is correct in that we shouldn't use any guesswork statistics whatsoever and that we probably need somebody who knows the verse to apply the changes.

 

[Armorchompy]

I refuse to because it's changing entire ratings for what is multiple pages in a verse I do not know without an actual CRT by someone who knows the series

So you're not capable of doing that? The scaling is literally laid out already, all it takes is tweaking some justifications and changing the numbers. I could do it easily without knowing the verse.

Tllmbrg is correct in that we shouldn't use any guesswork statistics whatsoever

And I don't think an inaccuracy like that is enough to delete a verse people put actual work into.

Good news though, it's not guesswork, demons are stronger than humans, according to the profiles.

And that we probably need somebody who knows the verse to apply the changes.

Scaling is laid out in the pages already, it's not necessary. It's just changing stats.

 

[Tllmbrg]

So you're not capable of doing that? The scaling is literally laid out already, all it takes is tweaking some justifications and changing the numbers. I could do it easily without knowing the verse.

I still refuse to, because it's tweeking stuff I have no idea about
So again unless we have someone who actually knows the verse then I think we shouldn't touch the scaling

Good news though, it's not guesswork, demons are stronger than humans, according to the profiles.

Cool how do we know this translates to LS and Speed, just being stronger does not mean they're faster too
So this is still pure guesswork we can' fix

And I don't think an inaccuracy like that is enough to delete a verse people put actual work into.

And I think it is

Scaling is laid out in the pages already, it's not necessary. It's just changing stats.

Of two entirely different keys, which involves scaling changes
Which may or may not be consistent, which we can't know because the only supporter for the verse is inactive
So we can't revise it and ergo it should be nuked

 

[Armorchompy]

I still refuse to, because it's tweeking stuff I have no idea about
So again unless we have someone who actually knows the verse then I think we shouldn't touch the scaling

Sure, let's not, luckily it's laid out already.

Cool how do we know this translates to LS and Speed, just being stronger does not mean they're faster too
So this is still pure guesswork we can' fix

If they're inherently physically stronger then duh it would scale to at least LS.

And I think it is

Because you have no respect for this wiki's users.

Of two entirely different keys, which involves scaling changes
Which may or may not be consistent, which we can't know because the only supporter for the verse is inactive
So we can't revise it and ergo it should be nuked

"May or may not be consistent" is not an argument. Make an actual argument it isn't (which you can't) or shut up, burden of proof doesn't work that way.

Also hey, look what I found, a decently well-made respect thread! Surely someone who has the wiki's best interests in mind would do the bare minimum and go through it instead of thoughtlessly arguing for deletion.

 

[Tllmbrg]

If they're inherently physically stronger then duh it would scale to LS.

Do we allow someone to have superhuman LS without feats because all other stats are superhuman?
As far as I'm aware no

Sure, let's not, luckily it's laid out already.

Is the feat consistent?
I don't know because I have not read the series, nor do I want to nor should we force anyone to so unless you get someone who actually knows the verse we shouldn't touch the ratings since that's something that requires a CRT
We are required to do CRTs to change ratings all the time, and since there's literally no one to revise the verse it should be nuked

Because you have no respect for this wiki's users.

That's an irrelevant

"May or may not be consistent" is not an argument. Make an actual argument it isn't (which you can't) or shut up, burden of proof doesn't work that way.

Burden on proof is for you to show that the 8-B rating is consistent as far as I'm aware

Also hey, look what I found, a decently well-made respect thread! Surely someone who has the wiki's best interests in mind would do the bare minimum and go through it instead of thoughtlessly arguing for deletion.

Revising of a RT without consuming the media is bad practice, so no I won't do that

 

[Armorchompy]

Do we allow someone to have superhuman LS without feats because all other stats are superhuman?
As far as I'm aware no

If they're stated to have superhuman strength, yes, duh.

Is the feat consistent?
I don't know because I have not read the series, nor do I want to nor should we force anyone to so unless you get someone who actually knows the verse we shouldn't touch the ratings since that's something that requires a CRT
We are required to do CRTs to change ratings all the time, and since there's literally no one to revise the verse it should be nuked

Is the feat in-consistent? Learn how burden of proof works.

Burden on proof is for you to show that the 8-B rating is consistent as far as I'm aware

nope, you're the one claiming it ain't.

Revising of a RT without consuming the media is bad practice, so no I won't do that

Actually non-sensical argument here. Tllm, I am going out of my way to throw you any sort of chance to make yourself look reasonable and you keep slapping them away and mindlessly arguing for deletion.