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Problem with Solaris's Speed

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According to this wiki, Solaris's speed was considered immeasurable according to the following given reasons:

Immeasurable (Is a higher-dimensional being that is beyond linear time, as it simultaneously exists in the past, present, and future. Was also collapsing and consuming all of time, merging past, present and future into one single void, and could still move and perfectly function in such a state)

I have many problems regarding to this.

1. For once, Eggman or anyone prior to the boss battle with Solaris never stated anything regarding to Solaris's speed being the thing that let him travel to different timelines simultaneously, their statements were implying it's his ability to appear in every timelines at the same time simultaneously that lets him do so.

2. Second of all, Sonic, Shadow, and Silver has been scaled to have Immeasurable speed for fighting against Solaris, when they have never demonstrated the ability to travel through time with their speed alone. Fighting against an opponent in a single timeline simultaneously =/= immeasurable speed. It falls more under The Flash's speed from DC Comics.

3. Eggman implied even if anyone defeats Solaris in the present timeline, he would still exist in every other timelines. If Sonic, Shadow, and Silver had immeasurable speed, then either one of them could have defeated Solaris by themselves without relying on each others since anyone of them by themselves are more powerful than Solaris is.

4. While the game mechanism was implying that Sonic, Shadow, and Silver were taking turn fighting Solaris in each timelines, in actuality they fighting him simultaneously in each timelines; Sonic fighting Solaris in present, Shadow fighting Solaris in past, Silver fighting Solaris in future, and Solaris appearing in three timelines at the same time. In otherwords, there are no time travel with pure speed going on here.

In conclusion to summarize everything what I said, Solaris speed will be changed to omnipresent, while Sonic, Shadow, and Silver speeds will be downgraded back to massively ftl+. So have a nice day!~
 
Er, Solaris' Immeasurable speed has nothing to do with time travel.

Speed: "Immeasurable (Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed.)"

Solaris is explicitly a 4th dimensional being that exists in the past, present and future and is thus beyond linear time.

Onto your points.

1. He doesn't need a statement saying he's immeasurably fast, his transcendent physiology would warrant this alome.

2. They don't need to showcase Time Travel to get Immeasurable speed. Their able to interact with and combat Solaris, a 4th dimensional being, would warrant Immeasurable speed.

3. and 4. Your third point is a non-sequitur, and your fourth point is simply flawed because their Immeasurable speed ratings are not based on Time Travel.
 
kinda seems a little outlier-ish since this is the only time they shown this speed. in the very next game being SATSR has sonic going at measurable speeds
 
that's the thing this is the only time we see his peak. even though his peak is him flying at speeds faster then soloaris's reaction. don't know if solaris's reaction speed in the same as travel speed though.
 
Solaris' general speed of is Immeasurable. His being and consciousness are higher dimensional/beyond linear time.
 
we being the player can still see sonic flying so he is human eye seeing speeds then this feat is legitimate, but is the only time sonic moves at these speeds. unless sonic being able to fight and move in a place where time is meaningless counts
I would also like to know if that feat counts. Has anyone made a thread on this? Either way, base form Sonic has some immeasurable speed feats in base form to support Super Sonic's speed stat. The main reason they don't count for base Sonic is in fact because it makes no sense for him to be as fast as his Super form.
 
1. Please do not comment on threads that have not been commented on for over 3 months.

2.There is no statement that time does not matter there. Even if there was moving in timeless voids does not grant infinite speed.
 
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