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Low 1-C seems safer if we are going to scale from them at all, but it may be safest to simply remove the Rune King Thor statistics key and the TWSAIS page if we have one, instead, to avoid severe inconsistencies due to retroactive continuity.We could do "Low 1-C, possibly Low 1-A". But if thats too much, I'm fine with Low 1-C.
Likely scaling at least one degree of infinity above Odin.Can someone provide a proper example of a not-confusing justification for Low 1-C RKT?
What of the rest?Can this feat and statements can be use for Hulk
Hulk destroys the universe
Hulk: Grand Design - Madnes
Grey Hulk moved in a universe of infinite density
Incredible hulk vol 1 #37
Hulk rage is enough to ravage worlds
Incredible Hulk vol 1 #30
Hulk absorb energy to hurt one of The One Below All forms with a thunderclap
Immortal Hulk #1
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762759625325150248/892443717477212170/mrBdkzx.png Al Ewing On hulk defeating the One Below All
Apocalypse stated that the energy which the Hulk produce may help him rise above the celestials incredible hulk vol 1 #456
the argument was them not affecting all of yggdrassil so they wouldn`t scale to Low 1AWell, likely because it is usually just portrayed as containing several universes, and due to that it would create a scaling nightmare. Do you honestly believe that Odin and Surtur are Low 1-A (!!!!!) for example?
I thought grey hulk is supposed to be more powerful at nightThe Grey Hulk was usually far less powerful than other Hulks and not even angry here;
But I think that Odin's current statistics are scaled from preventing the destruction of all of Yggdrasil.the argument was them not affecting all of yggdrassil so they wouldn`t scale to Low 1A
Not remotely to that degree.I thought grey hulk is supposed to be more powerful at night
Can you elaborate on why RKT scales to TWSAIS?Anyway, I also understood the Ragnarok story that you talked about above as Rune King Thor being comparable to Those Who Sit Above In Shadow.
Yeah but that was only because Thor was going destroy the Looms of Fate. They were manipulating him into not doing itWell, he seemed to be perceived as a threat or a worthy addition to their group as far as I recall.
As I said before, if someone has a gun on you, or put a remote bomb in your house he can denote at any time, would you risk running at him and beat him up or will you try to talk? Obviously talk, if you try to run at him he can instantly detonate the bomb or shoot you.They were also scared enough of him that they resorted to bargaining instead of even attempting to stop him directly.
This logic makes sense to me. TWSAIS were clearly incapable of stopping Thor at this point and were reduced to bargaining. They knew they were in checkmate and hoped that Thor didn't know it.As I said before, if someone has a gun on you, or put a remote bomb in your house he can denote at any time, would you risk running at him and beat him up or will you try to talk? Obviously talk, if you try to run at him he can instantly detonate the bomb or shoot you.
Same thing here, if TWSAIS tried to fight Thor, Thor would have immediately destroyed the Looms instead of finishing his speech.
What do you think now?Well, I do not remember the story very well anymore. I read it long ago.
Yes, they were incapable of stopping him because he was on their level now. If he was still only normal Skyfather level, he wouldn't have had the means to checkmate them as they could have simply one-shot him. The very fact that fighting Thor wouldn't have worked proves that he is at least comparable to them. And again, they directly reference his strength when bargaining with him. The clear intent is that he is comparable, or stronger.This logic makes sense to me. TWSAIS were clearly incapable of stopping Thor at this point and were reduced to bargaining. They knew they were in checkmate and hoped that Thor didn't know it.
No the rest are considered unusable and outliersIs it just The Pre-Retcon Beyonder categorising the Hulk as having potentially literally infinite power, Hulk allegedly destroying a universe, and Hyperion surviving the destruction of two universes, or did I forget anything?
There are alot more, i can list them later.No the rest are considered unusable and outliers
OkayThere are alot more, i can list them later.
Addressed this beforeYes, they were incapable of stopping him because he was on their level now. If he was still only normal Skyfather level, he wouldn't have had the means to checkmate them as they could have simply one-shot him.
The matter of relevance here isn't strength, it's speed..As I said before, if someone has a gun on you, or put a remote bomb in your house he can denote at any time, would you risk running at him and beat him up or will you try to talk? Obviously talk, if you try to run at him he can instantly detonate the bomb or shoot you.
Same thing here, if TWSAIS tried to fight Thor, Thor would have immediately destroyed the Looms instead of finishing his speech.
Addressed this hereThe very fact that fighting Thor wouldn't have worked proves that he is at least comparable to them.
If they were comparable, their attacks would have still hurt Thor enough to prevent him from destroying the Looms of Fate. So why did they listen to Thor without doing anything?
"Theoretical excuses" are all I need because I am not making the positive claim. I don't have to prove RKT is weaker because again, I am making the negative claim. Burden of Proof is on you since you are making the positive claim that RKT scales to TWSAIS, I simply have to counter your evidence.Everything you have said is theoretical excuses for why TWSAIS would act the way they did based on the assumption that Thor is weaker. I don't think there has been any evidence presented for Thor being weaker on the first place.
Look above, I don't have to prove a negative, saying Thor isn't on their level is a negative claim.Your argument is built off an initial assumption that Thor isn't on their level, and explains only why the story could theoretically still work if that were the case. Again, I might have missed something, but I have yet to see any evidence that justifies that initial assumption of Thor being weaker. We have two things that imply Thor is equal to or stronge
They reference his strength because at that point, Thor could easily destroy the Looms. They were trying to manipulate Thor to sit with them instead, and respecting his strength is one of the best ways for that.And again, they directly reference his strength when bargaining with him. The clear intent is that he is comparable, or stronger.