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That's a fine rebuttal isn't it?Ricsi-viragosi said:
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Possibly this wikis longest CRT (Gravity Falls)
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Fair points. And since I'm not in the mood for a prolonged discussion anyways, I'll just conceed for now.
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For example, Jiren was stated to transcend time but he doesn't have immeasurable speed. That was simply a poetic way of saying Hit's time cage failed to work on him.
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You are the one that needs to prove that stuff.Lightbuster30 said:
And it should be obvious that he never showcased infinite speed in his mindscaper self, and that it was contradicted.
And it wasn't "poetic" for Jiren either, he transcended a being that fused with time and space in power. Again, showings are still superior to statements, and you don't have an immesurable statement. You just have a statement that can be inerpreted that way .
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And what Assalt said applies here just as much as with inteligence and ap.
"Bill has so many claims but such pathetically little performance."
"Bill has so many claims but such pathetically little performance."
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i agree with massively faster than light
unless if transcending time does give you it, then he should massively faster light +
Ant, do you know the conditions for this?
unless if transcending time does give you it, then he should massively faster light +
Ant, do you know the conditions for this?
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I realy do not know how one should go about making the profile. There are too many things up in the air, since for all we know Bill didn't believe reality would be destroyed, and as such doesn't scale to it in dura at the very least (After all, he seemed pretty sure the "party that never ends" would be a thing), and giving him the lowest and highest interpretation still are impossible because the actual lowest interpretation is just as ridicolous as the highest.
That doesn't make the speed any more right, both for FTL and Immesurable.
That doesn't make the speed any more right, both for FTL and Immesurable.
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"Transcending time" of course depends on the context.
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are you saying you want both speeds? or am i confusing your comment?Ricsi-viragosi said:
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That excuse is not a free pass dude.JooCipher said:
PIS would be him being held back once and twice for the progression of the plot. Here he never once showed and constantly contradicted everything you guys want him to have.
The character you are describing is not the one that appears in gravity falls, and to be honest the statements retroactively destroy the plot to the point that Rowling would be aghast.
The best solution that could come out would be to make a "vanilla" key for Bill that doesn't take anything but primary canon, since everything else seem adamant about wrecking it over, and another where all the extra stuff is taken at face value.
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I want neither. He never once showcases Immesurable, and is constantly moving at speeds that don't transcend people's comprehension, and his MFTL+ comes while his size is increased and doesn't scale to his base.Totallynotchewbacca said:
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i don't really agree with that risci, i agree that he is very controversial and messed up but i think it is better to just discuss what is reliable and what is not
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And I absolutely don't agree with that, because it isn't reliable, period.Totallynotchewbacca said:
I don't think you can deny that the statements and canon have nothing in common by now, beyond Bill's name.
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Bill didn't believe reality would be destroyed- I think claiming this would be headcanon, he never claimed this.
Again, he wanted to destroy it anyway as proven his liberation quote 'like' he did for his 2-D universe where killed everyone and he destroyed his universe, also Ford stated he wanted to do so.
I don't believe we don't 'used' statement form Opening theme as 'evidences' also.
Again, he wanted to destroy it anyway as proven his liberation quote 'like' he did for his 2-D universe where killed everyone and he destroyed his universe, also Ford stated he wanted to do so.
I don't believe we don't 'used' statement form Opening theme as 'evidences' also.
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Your arguments for his physical stats, dura included, is that he did tough. What Bill wanted to do was remove the laws of reality, which is not tier aplicable at all.
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What?
Genuinely, what is your question? The whole argument for his durability relies on the fact that he believes he'd survive reality's destruction.
Genuinely, what is your question? The whole argument for his durability relies on the fact that he believes he'd survive reality's destruction.
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Bill can destroy the fabric of existence(Time Baby made a big point about it) and has been described as one of the biggest threats to the Multiverse(a infinite one), to the point that The Oracle, someone who has vast knowledge on Bill, saw him as a threat and wanted to spot him
I'm pretty sure that's tier aplicable
I'm pretty sure that's tier aplicable
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can we all agree that the profile should just be deleted 0_o
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I gave it. He believed he could keep partying for all of eternity.
Removing laws of physics isn't an AP thing, and destroying it would end the party.
Removing laws of physics isn't an AP thing, and destroying it would end the party.
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that was just a joke Elizhaa, i was joking over its controversy
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Not to durability, no.
And his idea of libaration isn't. Being a threat isn't either, because reality becoming a lawless hell is enough to consider him a thread. The only thing is the fabric of existence thing, which Bill didn't seem to believe much.
The latter also came from it's "rip into the dimension", not through him creating enough energy to destroy it. I would say creating a rip in a dimension, and that causing reality to be destroyed, should very much be considered a chain reaction.
And his idea of libaration isn't. Being a threat isn't either, because reality becoming a lawless hell is enough to consider him a thread. The only thing is the fabric of existence thing, which Bill didn't seem to believe much.
The latter also came from it's "rip into the dimension", not through him creating enough energy to destroy it. I would say creating a rip in a dimension, and that causing reality to be destroyed, should very much be considered a chain reaction.
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i feel that was more of something to have ford join him with a claim of a party happening forever
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You might notice that the infinite multiverse didn't get destroyed last time he liberated a dimension, so that is still not an argument for him having 2-A durability.
And what contradicts the fact? What part claims that he knew the multiverse as a while would explode?
And even if, the book contradictig the show is the whole problem.
And what contradicts the fact? What part claims that he knew the multiverse as a while would explode?
And even if, the book contradictig the show is the whole problem.
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In the part, Bill and his friend were destroying creations like Planets anyway: https://youtu.be/yzg5uwBL8MA?t=500. Bill has been known to lie as written by Ford, the evidences showed above from Gravity Falls journal 3 by Ford showed Bill's true goal was the universe destruction.Totallynotchewbacca said:
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That is a false equivalency right there. Destroying all of reality, and destroying planets that he should be able to remake with a tought are nothing alike.Elizhaa said:
He could have very well believed that one dimension only would be destroyed, after which he'd move on to the next one, rinse and repeat.
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Again, Bill has been known to lie a lot (especially with his liberation claimed) as written by Ford - Bill tells what you want to hear. The evidences linked above from Gravity Falls journal 3 by Ford showed Bill's true goal was the universe destruction.
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The universe destruction, is it? That is the problem.
Because that ain't the multiverse, now is it?
Because the idea of Bill thinking that he'll destroy one universe at a time is much more plausable then the idea that he was going for the destruction of every single one forever.
Especially since even time baby put a "could" in there.
The fact that the multiverse is destroyed by a rip in the universe, and not by Bill's own power, also doesn't help.
Because that ain't the multiverse, now is it?
Because the idea of Bill thinking that he'll destroy one universe at a time is much more plausable then the idea that he was going for the destruction of every single one forever.
Especially since even time baby put a "could" in there.
The fact that the multiverse is destroyed by a rip in the universe, and not by Bill's own power, also doesn't help.
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Ricsi-viragosi, I think you gotta debunk Ford's claims, to shown Bill was telling the truth about the party with more valid proof. The evidence, I posted above it shown it would be hard.
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Yes. That is what a chain reaction is.JooCipher said:
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This reality is used. The this implied that there are others, so I'd say that he didn't mean all of the multiverse.Elizhaa said:
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