Possible Lord of the Rings upgrade?

[TheMerchant66]

In the Dagor Dagorarh, Morgoth will come back from the Void and into the Universe for one final battle. Morgoth destroys the Sun and Moon when he does this, but nothing states that he became any stronger when he comes back, just that he regenerated his limbs.


If Morgoth is only as strong as he was at the end of the First Age, this would bump him up to at least Star lvl for destroying the Sun. Sauron would also be star lvl at his peak since Tolkien stated Sauron was greater in the 2nd age then Morgoth was at the end of the first.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Any scans of text to support it?

 

[Tyranno223]

I believe Dagor Dagorath was from the 1937 copy of the Silmarillion, but it was removed in later copies, including the one I own. Although to be fair, references to the final battle are still made, although it can be debated how canon the events depicted are, especially since details outline the fates of men as concrete, which contradicts Eru's gift of freedom to the second born.

Regardless, Sauron would not scale, since the Morgoth from Dagor Dagorath was stated to be back to his prime, or at least strong enough to contend with Tulkas and Eonwe at once.

 

[Iisdude1]

Morgoth isnt that much weaker than his prime. Besides there never was a dagor dagorath.

 

[Tyranno223]

Morgoth isnt that much weaker than his prime. Besides there never was a dagor dagorath.

This is an old thread, all relevant discussions are on the downgrade or speed thread.

Also, again, we covered that.

 

[Antvasima]

I believe Dagor Dagorath was from the 1937 copy of the Silmarillion, but it was removed in later copies, including the one I own. Although to be fair, references to the final battle are still made, although it can be debated how canon the events depicted are, especially since details outline the fates of men as concrete, which contradicts Eru's gift of freedom to the second born.

Regardless, Sauron would not scale, since the Morgoth from Dagor Dagorath was stated to be back to his prime, or at least strong enough to contend with Tulkas and Eonwe at once.

This seems fine to me, but as was said above, we have another ongoing LotR discussion.