Portgas D. Ace and Teach additions

[KingTempest]

@KingTempest what you think about the forcefield stuff everything else?

Definitely forcefield

Remove the supernatural willpower stuff involving Haoshoku, but the other justifications would be fine.

This is even better for heat and fire resistance. He grabbed the flame spears with his bare hands.

Ice Manip resistance is a no. That's just an application of the gura ability. Anyone else who has that should get it deleted.

 

[SamanPatou]

That's actually a forcefield, so I agree with the ability being added via Flame Fence.

Teach's scan shows him still suffering from touching the spear, so he is enduring pain, not resisting heat.
It's a good stamina feat, tho.

On a second thought, I agree that isn't resistance to Ice, but maybe you can call it unconventional resistance to status effect inducement, if we want to label freezing as a status effect.

 

[KingTempest]

Teach's scan shows him still suffering from touching the spear, so he is enduring pain, not resisting heat.
It's a good stamina feat, tho.

Teach takes more pain than the average person via absorbing pain, so the pain is effecting him, but the heat isn't doing much

 

[SamanPatou]

Right, but in turn it means he isn't being burned because his darkness absorbs the fire, which is different from his skin being impervious to heat.

 

[KingTempest]

Right, but in turn it means he isn't being burned because his darkness absorbs the fire, which is different from his skin being impervious to heat.

Not really, since technically we don't see the darkness absorb the fire, and when we see it absorb it it has the Kurouzu effect, which isn't shown when the fire attacks him

 

[SamanPatou]

Can't that be just a stylistic choice that changed later in time? Because Teach explicitly refers to his darkness absorbing Ace's fire, just like it would do with bullets, blades etc...

 

[KingTempest]

Can't that be just a stylistic choice that changed later in time? Because Teach explicitly refers to his darkness absorbing Ace's fire, just like it would do with bullets, blades etc...

Nope, because we see it absorb with the specific black darkness prior.

He only absorbs when he creates that darkness, he doesn't passively absorb or anything, so when the darkness isn't shown, he's not absorbing it

 

[SamanPatou]

Ok then, and sorry if I keep dragging it, but do we see Teach's hands not being burned? Because he might have suffered from fire, while still enduring higher pain.

 

[Ryuga21]

He grabbed the flame spears with his bare hands.

Teach was being burned from inside in that scene as well.

 

[KingTempest]

Ok then, and sorry if I keep dragging it,

It's all good

but do we see Teach's hands not being burned? Because he might have suffered from fire, while still enduring higher pain.

We don't actually get any close ups to his hands, but he's taken more hits from Ace's fruit w/out being burned.

 

[SamanPatou]

How consistently are Ace's opponents depicted as having burns after being hit by his flames?
Because that might just be Oda not drawing burns on characters, and then every person who fought Ace would have resistance to heat.

But even then, I'd say Teach's resistance should ultimately be minor, because we have many instances of him suffering from the heat, regardless of the pain being amplified by the devil fruit.

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, I'm not really seeing a lot here in favor of Resistance to Fire for Blackbeard. Just because he isn't burnt to a crisp after every fire attack doesn't mean he's withstanding them thanks to a special resistance.

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah fire can be scrapped then

 

[Ryuga21]

So... everything seems to be accepted for Ace. With the exception of Teach's Fire and Ice Resistance this seems to be able to be added to the profiles.