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BASE COSMOLOGY (4D)
Realm Of God (5D)
Arceus Realm was already accepted as higher dimensional here, which was the premise for low 1C previously
Beyond God (6D)
First thing's first, The Heart predates the power system, as well as the plates Arceus uses. So his powers will be of a very different nature than his Avatar's, but still, his Avatar's powers and all existence will be a part of it, just on a lower level
This was something Executor_N0 mentioned in the low 1C upgrade thread, but it flew over people's head. Long explanation here. Short Explanation :
CONCLUSION
1. Arceus 5D realm only applies to the game avatar of the OS, since it is the only one who has that statement attached to it,as well as the nature of the realm being different to anime. So Anime Arceus feats within his dimension does not make it 5D.
2. This will make Arceus Plates maximum capability 5D, as it can easily negate all attacks as well as anything that stems from his plates, within the context of the cosmology. His plates Power Null + Invulnerability will scale to his creation/destruction of of everything in the cosmology including his realm
Before anyone butts in and bring the Meteorite, I've paid close and hard attention to the anime and the pis has not been made clearer. Note that the Plates itself does not have anti feats against it. As Sheenas boyfriend said, yes, the plates can negate all possible attacks, but what happened is that the shock from the meteorite knocked the plates out of the control of Arceus. Think of the Infinity Gauntlet. Yes, it's extremely powerful and can do many things, but it can be knocked out of the user's control and make them vulnerable, that's what happens in Arceus case. But in Arceus case, he can safeguard it from being removed if he absorbed it. Thats besides the fact that its impossible to break them
Arceus by default has the plates absorbed in it, which does not dimininish his ability to negate attacks at all, nor use his powers.
Canonically, it's impossible for anything to remove plates, even by literal hax that can negate such things. It's impossible.
Arceus brings the plates out of him to tank a meteorite because it has to be knocked out of his control in a way that it will make sense for the plot to be driven forward. Character Induced Stupidity
3. His range will be changed to Low 1-C
4. We don't know to what degree Arceus scales to 5D, so his AP will be Creation and Destruction, while his Durability will be placed under his plates ability to negate attacks, so it won't scale fully to him. I'm doing it so because Arceus without his plates isn't as God tier as he is with them. As the director mentioned, Arceus with the plates is Omnipotent and Omniscient, not so much without it. His hax would not scale
There are countless worlds within the cosmology, with each universe being infinite in size. These universes exists in another dimension(Palkia's realm) which acts as the space between parallel worlds for that reason, which contains 4D spaces( millions of Hyperspaces for the number of Hoopas) as well. With space in Pokemon being ever expanding dimensions and with this quote from Masuda about time and space both being cited as infinite, in this context, it would mean the Pokemon Multiverse as a whole becomes infinite as a result of this statement granting infinite time and infinite space across the Multiverse. And with that, we'd result in likely 2-A.
Realm Of God (5D)
Arceus Realm was already accepted as higher dimensional here, which was the premise for low 1C previously
Beyond God (6D)
First thing's first, The Heart predates the power system, as well as the plates Arceus uses. So his powers will be of a very different nature than his Avatar's, but still, his Avatar's powers and all existence will be a part of it, just on a lower level
The Heart/Original Spirit is the True Form of Arceus. An Archetype of which everything is a part of, including the realms of The Creation Trio, and Giratina's which lacks the concept of both time and space[178], and Palkia's which has domain over both the parallel dimensions[179] and the directions[180], with the Creation Trio members also being their own realms themselves. His avatar, Arceus is the "God who transcends everything"[182] whose realm is beyond both time and space[183].The Heart treats the Pokémon reality, which is made of countless to likely infinite universes, as existing within its consciousness, and part of it, of which the cosmology only expands as its consciousness enriches.
This was something Executor_N0 mentioned in the low 1C upgrade thread, but it flew over people's head. Long explanation here. Short Explanation :
So, the ways that I can see Arceus as Low 1-C are:
1) I think that the statements of superiority beyond time and space as the parallel universes and spatial axis and time, present, and future does fit with what is commonly accepted as Low 1-C
2) If we only talk about encompassing all of time and space, if one would consider Palkia's "between space" as akin to a perpendicular dimension across parallel 3D spaces (As it's explained in Legends and is in the etymology of Uchu/Sekai), then we have a cosmology that is 4D+1D in a non-insignificant sense that I remember as being valid for Low 1-C.
3) The space-time cosmology is a result of cognition manifesting from inside the Heart and does complement the notion of superiority over/being beyond the structure of space-time in point 1).
CONCLUSION
1. Arceus 5D realm only applies to the game avatar of the OS, since it is the only one who has that statement attached to it,as well as the nature of the realm being different to anime. So Anime Arceus feats within his dimension does not make it 5D.
2. This will make Arceus Plates maximum capability 5D, as it can easily negate all attacks as well as anything that stems from his plates, within the context of the cosmology. His plates Power Null + Invulnerability will scale to his creation/destruction of of everything in the cosmology including his realm
Before anyone butts in and bring the Meteorite, I've paid close and hard attention to the anime and the pis has not been made clearer. Note that the Plates itself does not have anti feats against it. As Sheenas boyfriend said, yes, the plates can negate all possible attacks, but what happened is that the shock from the meteorite knocked the plates out of the control of Arceus. Think of the Infinity Gauntlet. Yes, it's extremely powerful and can do many things, but it can be knocked out of the user's control and make them vulnerable, that's what happens in Arceus case. But in Arceus case, he can safeguard it from being removed if he absorbed it. Thats besides the fact that its impossible to break them
Arceus by default has the plates absorbed in it, which does not dimininish his ability to negate attacks at all, nor use his powers.
Canonically, it's impossible for anything to remove plates, even by literal hax that can negate such things. It's impossible.
So how does the director circumvent it? SimpleMultitype changes the form and type of a Pokémon with this Ability depending on the Plate attached. The item-removing effects of Thief, Covet, Trick, Switcheroo, and Knock Off will not work on a Pokémon with Multitype, regardless of what item it is holding..
item-manipulating effects cannot affect Arceus if they would cause it to hold a Plate or take a Plate it already holds.
Arceus brings the plates out of him to tank a meteorite because it has to be knocked out of his control in a way that it will make sense for the plot to be driven forward. Character Induced Stupidity
3. His range will be changed to Low 1-C
4. We don't know to what degree Arceus scales to 5D, so his AP will be Creation and Destruction, while his Durability will be placed under his plates ability to negate attacks, so it won't scale fully to him. I'm doing it so because Arceus without his plates isn't as God tier as he is with them. As the director mentioned, Arceus with the plates is Omnipotent and Omniscient, not so much without it. His hax would not scale