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Yep. Figure of speech. Just as I suspected.
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Persona near-wide downgrade to tier 10
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Prove it's a figure of speech when said person experienced it as such. We're literally shown what he saw.
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Someone being given an "aura" when doing something scary is such a cliche anime/manga trope that I honestly have no idea how you could think it was anything else. Not everything is literal dude.
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Sounds like a CRT in it's own right, honestly.
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Your figure of speech argument would work if this was a passing statement, or 3rd party description. This dude is literally stating she had the aura of a soldier, we are shown said aura, and it affects him enough to state he'd never get it back from her. A teenage girl. Little bit more than a trope when the whole ability is literally what allowed her to no diff the instance which in this context was a very important item. So she very clearly demonstrated the ability to intimidate him into submission, and the victim of the technique described what he experienced after being hit with said intimidation.
Prove this specific instance is just a passing trope that has no bearing on abiities.
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Prove it isn't. Because nothing in that scan and nothing that's been described sounds like anything more than typical anime logic.
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I strongly agree with Wright Wa6
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Seriously dude, you're trying to make a power out of typical anime logic tropes. There's nothing there.
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I literally just explained it to you by mentioning the relevant plot point and its combat applicability. You didn't counter any of my points and have yet to actually substantiate any of your counter notions. Bringing up that anime tropes exist doesn't prove your argument that this is an example of one.
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She intimidated some random guy into giving her an item using textbook anime tropes. What part of that is hard to understand?
You talking it up to make it sound more impressive doesn't change what it actually is.
You talking it up to make it sound more impressive doesn't change what it actually is.
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Elaborate on this. You are trying to use "anime tropes" to undermine the observed function of her ability. Once again this isn't like some tsundere being described as having an intimidating aura via pure words in slice of life classroom scene. This is a group of thugs in possession of an extremely valuable item to both the underworld/society at large, giving their possession up to a highschool girl who literally walked up and intimidated them out of having control of it. That's an on-panel ability. Just because it is under the lens of a comedic scene does not make it any less of a feat.
You're gonna have to do more than simply assert something without substantiating it or speaking in the context of the scene.
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Seeing how you're the only one asserting it's anything more than funny anime logic, no I'm not.
This is a dude being intimidated by a girl in the traditional anime way with all the traditional anime tropes in play. You're the only one here who believes otherwise.
This is a dude being intimidated by a girl in the traditional anime way with all the traditional anime tropes in play. You're the only one here who believes otherwise.
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This isn't a counterpoint and I have the on-panel statements of aura w/ a visual. In addition to context supporting it being more than just a trope and something that would apply to her combat abilities.
This isn't an argument from any sort of evidence. So if you're continued replies will be something similar then I'm fine ending our conversation here.
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Alright I have some verses to give aura to. Seriously, this isn't an argument.
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Go right ahead, dude. You're outvoted either way.
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And like 3 other people have given their opinions. Not sure what's with all your hostility.
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I'm not sure how you read that as hostility. I'm just dismissive because the argument is self-evidently wrong.
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No on the intimidation aura, sorry but that’s ridiculous
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Couldn't have said it better meself
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I just want to point out.
While intimidation aura can be used as figure of speech and not exactly a real aura, there is still a use for them, they can fit into Social Influencing hax
A example here is the Courier from Fallout New Vegas, he can get the perk Terrifying Presence where he can intimidate and scary people.
And i dont know how The courier have fear manip throught that when the perk description fits social influencing instead of fear manip lol.
If you ever try arguing something for those manga feats, i recommend trying social influence.
Also, the persona 1, 2, 5 should have social influence thanks to shadow negotiation (heck there is a hole confidant where joker gets better on negotiation).
While intimidation aura can be used as figure of speech and not exactly a real aura, there is still a use for them, they can fit into Social Influencing hax
A example here is the Courier from Fallout New Vegas, he can get the perk Terrifying Presence where he can intimidate and scary people.
And i dont know how The courier have fear manip throught that when the perk description fits social influencing instead of fear manip lol.
If you ever try arguing something for those manga feats, i recommend trying social influence.
Also, the persona 1, 2, 5 should have social influence thanks to shadow negotiation (heck there is a hole confidant where joker gets better on negotiation).
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If we are under the assumption of Bob's argument then I am fine with Efite's suggestion, given my point was the functionality of her ability, even if misguided on the validity of the specific aura power. Thoughts?
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Yeah, that's fine. Although, I'd like to point out that Social Influencing usually isn't supernatural, it's just talking to people. Persona 5 has you literally undo mind control that's inflicted on shadows by palace users, which I feel crosses that line. Might want to make a note of that. Although, Joker and Makoto evidently have the normal kind regardless.
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I'd say in those instances that is their social influencing ability being amplified by cognition due to being in the metaverse. Sort of like how model guns can become real guns there.
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I mean, granted, but that's still it becoming a supernatural power. Something like mind control negation maybe?
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Well yeah there power would only undo status effects via talking while in a spiritual realm not for base. Although Persona users inherently keep their mind based resistances from higher tiers are persona's are just tamed aspects of one's personality. Which is why potential persona users (and even non persona users who are realized enough like Shiori from P2) can enter the Collective Unconscious and still maintain a sense of identity.
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Should be pointed out, Joker only needs to break the palace's ruler control over them when the player tries to convince the shadow to join him.
Asides from that, Joker negotiates normaly for items, money with shadows while under the palace ruler's control, the shadows also have diferent emotions and fellings, fitting very well social influencing.
There is a entire confidant focused on making joker better at negotiations.
Morgana even states joke should make use of those speech skills into shadow negotiation.
The timestamp is: 5:48
Someone/shadow/demon gets scared or terrified of, just because of the looks did happen in persona before P5 manga.
Tatsuya here is capable of making a demon scared just because of Tatsuya's looks.
Timestamp: 2:18
Asides from that, Joker negotiates normaly for items, money with shadows while under the palace ruler's control, the shadows also have diferent emotions and fellings, fitting very well social influencing.
There is a entire confidant focused on making joker better at negotiations.
Morgana even states joke should make use of those speech skills into shadow negotiation.
The timestamp is: 5:48
Someone/shadow/demon gets scared or terrified of, just because of the looks did happen in persona before P5 manga.
Tatsuya here is capable of making a demon scared just because of Tatsuya's looks.
Timestamp: 2:18
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The former has already been addressed but wouldn't the latter just apply to the metaverse Joker?
Social influencing makes sense
Nothing says it's because of his looks, the fact that Tatsuya is much stronger than the demon likely plays a part in it
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The game's own tutorial about talking with demons, never said a thing about needing to be higher level to do certain actions effectively.
Timestamp: starts at 1:16:21
Timestamp: Ends at 1:20:38
If you still doubts me, i can record the game and do the stare action while being low level compared to other demons.
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How does this matter, anyway? This is a completely different character. But most importantly, I never mentioned level to begin with. Besides, I haven't played P2 but if I know anything about Negotiation, there's a chance for that to fail as well.
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For the protags yeah
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Nah the whole deal Maruki and Joker make is that Maruki will teach Joker usefull mind tricks, before he even finds out about Joker doing stuff in the metaverse. It wouldn’t be to the same effect as i. The metaverse but he’d still retain the abilities for his new key and obviously Maruki too since he taught Joker.
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The speed calc needs minor adjustments that will raise the results but is pretty much fine.
The other calc arm is gonna handle when he gets some free time.
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