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armor is specifically designed to give the least resistance possible tho
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Persona near-wide downgrade to tier 10
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That doesn’t mean the weight dissappears
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I’m fine with torso and arm
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Hmm a shadow one shot someone. Idk about ryuji taking the blow anymore.
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yes but the entire weight won't be hitting ryuji, not even close
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Ryuji taking the blow from a shadow shouldn’t be used as a feat given that shadows are low 2C
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The entire weight has to be overcome to swing at him. Once again, put weights and your torso and try to make an arc with your arm. You have to lift said weight to swing your arm. This is basic biomechanics
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No they aren’t?
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yeah but that weight won't be hitting him anyway lol
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Yes, but what is hitting him is > said weight or else his arm wouldn’t have been moving
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uh... no. you need to "lift said weight" even when you're gently turning around, but that doesn't mean if you bump into something while doing that you'll hit them with that weight. Like, I get what you're saying, body weight is part of what makes punches hurt, but it's not all of the body's weight
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Yeah they are, given they can harm joker and the other party members
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Joker and friends aren’t low 2-C until shadow kamoshida, and the ahadow isn’t even in its archetype form so, no, it isn’t low 2-C
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It’s much more than the arm though, which is why i said torso and arm sounds fine
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Shadow Kamoshida is literally the very first boss in the game and the leader of the first palace where his shadows come from.
They are low 2C from the beginning, there’s a reason we didn’t bother with a beginning tier for them.
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Yes, and he is the only low 2-C dude in his palace. So a random guard who hasn't even materialized is not low 2-C. Yes for practical purposes we have them at low 2-C, but in this instance, it's a boss that doesn't scale to that version of the thieves.
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Dude the phantom thieves scale from Kamoshida in the first palace. If he was the only low 2C dude none of the shadows would be able to hurt the Phantom Thieves at all.
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I mean, even ignoring gameplay, doesn't Joker get explicitly shut down by mid-boss in Kamoshida's palace at one point until Ryuji awakens his Persona and helps out? Pretty sure that's enough for them to scale, making calcing the armor kinda pointless.
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Joker and morgana gets outnumbered and shut dowm by common enemies, not even mid-boss.
Well the current scalling could be considered an pick your poison choice, atleast in game, the current weaker shadows lacks feat, if they do its needs to be added.
A: Everyone is tier 2 or tier 1 along with weaker shadows/
B: Scale to their SMT counterpart, this could be valid if Persona and SMT are canon, here two Cu Chulainn from diferent place, fights eachother and ends on a stalemate.
C: Revert to the old scalling.
Well the current scalling could be considered an pick your poison choice, atleast in game, the current weaker shadows lacks feat, if they do its needs to be added.
A: Everyone is tier 2 or tier 1 along with weaker shadows/
B: Scale to their SMT counterpart, this could be valid if Persona and SMT are canon, here two Cu Chulainn from diferent place, fights eachother and ends on a stalemate.
C: Revert to the old scalling.
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Personas and Demons are the same, and they are connected.
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There is no “accepted” they are quite literally the same series. Persona is a Devil Summoner timeline, which comes from SMT1.
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I’m not sure when it was ever accepted per say, I assumed it was common knowledge
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They are the same thing.
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Dude them being connected is literally common knowledge, that’s like me making a CRT to make a sequel canon to the first.
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You’re saying that I have to make a CRT for people to know common knowledge about a series that possesses the same overarching cosmology and consistent references to older titles?
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It has been since it came on the wiki
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Because no one plays Persona 1-2, and no one plays the old SMT games, and thus there is the divide.
Bobsican
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Then please merge the verse pages before proceeding on that regard (Or at least get the act of doing that "formally" accepted in some CRT), as it kinda breaks standards on how this kind of stuff is handled, even if it's pretty blatant that the two are connected.
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ANYWAY I don't think the feat is very easy to calculate to begin with. I'm fine with eyeballing it as 9-C tho ig
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Is this still going? This thread is like giving Tony Stark a key without his iron armors or even Danny in human form. Its worthless to even make this.
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I'd argue that both of those keys should exist. Both have powers that set them far apart from your typical 10-A. Again, what is this argument?
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