Persona near-wide downgrade to tier 10

[Leotamer]

MCU Unarmored Ironman has street level AP, peak-human speed and massively hyper-sonix reactions and wall level durability. (And some how has the weakness he is only human without his suit. Notably Comics Ironman doesn't have armorless key.

As for persona-less keys, Joker may have enough feats and resistances to have a significant key, but I feel like the others will end up being close enough to 10-A that adding it feels like it will just be there for spite.

 

[DaReaperMan]

MCU Unarmored Ironman has street level AP, peak-human speed and massively hyper-sonix reactions and wall level durability. (And some how has the weakness he is only human without his suit. Notably Comics Ironman doesn't have armorless key.

As for persona-less keys, Joker may have enough feats and resistances to have a significant key, but I feel like the others will end up being close enough to 10-A that adding it feels like it will just be there for spite.

We are an indexing wiki first. The cast was not always tier 2 and tier 1.

 

[Rustobal10]

Why tho? The Persona cast is only limited to combat in the CU. They're just normal high schoolers which is pointless. And there are a lot of profiles that lack a key like this such as Ichigo having no human form key or even All Might's true form key.

 

[Bobsican]

Why tho? The Persona cast is only limited to combat in the CU. They're just normal high schoolers which is pointless. And there are a lot of profiles that lack a key like this such as Ichigo having no human form key or even All Might's true form key.

Then they should just be revised if anything, two wrongs don't make a right, and I would heavily support them getting that sort of keys as well.
The reasoning goes based on it being misleading to only mention stats while "amped", as users not too knowledgeable in the verse will think that they simply always are that tier regardless of circumstances, which isn't really the case.

 

[EFÍTÉ]

dude look at the good side, now they have social influencing

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Stop using "but they're 10-A, there's no reason too" as an argument. Sherlock Holmes is a 10-A, Arthur Fleck is a 10-A, ******* J Jonah Jameson is a 10-A, and Death Note is a verse made entirely out of 10-As and unknowns.

 

[Bobsican]

At this pace we may as well do an Editing Rule over how (and most notably why) base forms should be indexed...

 

[The_Wright_Way]

I'm pretty sure "we are an indexing wiki" should cover almost all the reasons.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Also, saying "we don't have a base key for Iron Man" is a horrible arguement, seeing how 1. Iron Man is getting some massive revisions right now, wherin his comic book counterpart is getting a ton of new profiles for his individual suits and 2. Several knowledgeable members have told me that comics Tony has consistent High 6-C physicals. Albiet, that was several years ago.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Let’s stop derailing the thread even further with this topic. We are close to finishing the search for feats and will soon be finalizing resistances, abilities, and stats for IRL persona users.

People can hep by looking for non metaverse feats, finding a calc member to help us, or bring up addditional abilities that would apply to characters in base.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

So pretty much every notable fighting party member should get
-Superhuman reactions.
-Physically inclined folks should get street level durability.
-Most people would get street level via weapons for those that actually utilize them.

• Weapon skill would remain the same due to memory/muscle memory (they just lack the stats to do their crazy stuff, like Yusuke's Iaido feats for instance, or P5 striker thieves acrobatics.).
• Persona users retain mental/soul/concept-based resistances due to their persona still being a part of said mind/soul/concept as the tamed shadow (which is literally their unconscious side). Persona users and particularly realized non-persona users can also exist as individuals in Philemon's realm/CU which is stated to be a remarkable feat as most lose their sense of individuality deep in the sea of unconsciousness.
• All persona users get adaptive evolution due to being able to summon persona upon the threat of death or extreme trauma as seen with Baofu, P2 IS cast, Mitsuru, and Chidori.
• Persona users keep their extrasensory perception.
• Persona users keep their space/time resistances due to p3 cast/Makoto being able to function in the dark hour without utilizing their persona actively or Joker being able to move in stopped time before awakening Arsene.
• PErsona users can exist astrally as seen with people going to Phils' realm/the velvet room in spirit form even before awakening their persona(this obviously isn't active like say Danny's ghost form).

That'd be the general stuff for most profiles, with some obvious differences in specific abilities for certain characters.

 

[EFÍTÉ]

extrasensory perception.

Question.
Are you refering to joker? I not remembering extrasensory feats asides from joker's third eye.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Question.
Are you refering to joker? I not remembering extrasensory feats asides from joker's third eye.

All Persona users get the ability to sense spiritual energy. This was in the last CRT for Persona as well that was accepted. But yeah there is Joker being able to see the velvet room, all thieves and confidants noticing the effect of mementos before regular people could, people from the metaverse being able to hear Morgana speak despite being in reality, etc.

 

[EFÍTÉ]

Bump

 

[Bobsican]

This is going to be kept for that one big CRT, right?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Probably yeah.