Paper Girl (Naruto CRT)

[Godernet]

Hey, y'all I've been procrastinating for a hot minute on some other stuff I've been working on so I figured I'd at least get back into it with a profile I've been sitting on for a while.

I plan to get to the rest of the Akatsuki at some point, minus the ones like Itachi and Pain, who already have up-to-date profiles.

Old Profile

New Profile

Thanks to the homies @LordTracer and @UchihaSlayer96 for giving some suggestions and reviewing it a few times.

It's nothing controversial but let's keep it civil like usual.

Oh yeah and ik it's a bit late but Happy Chinese New Years

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Just a small thing: isn't it a given standard to list the changes done when reworking a profile?

 

[LordTracer]

Looking good, only a few notes from me:

Although she has shown no feats of physical combat, as an S-Class Missing Nin, a position of rouge Shinobi exclusively comprised of Jounin and Kage level fighters

I would add a scan/reference for the bolded section, since

Outside of that, there’s only some formatting stuff that should be changed. The Others section is called Notable Matchups now, and the Notes/Explanations section should be below the References section.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well, Regardless of it the profile looks a lot better now, and I can't find anything wrong with the Power Ability section when looking over it.

However, I disagree with the speed change. (Just keep in mind I am by no means a Naruto scaler so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.)

 

[Godernet]

Just a small thing: isn't it a given standard to list the changes done when reworking a profile?

In the Profile revisions I've seen recently, people have just let the new additions speak for themselves so I wasn't sure if people still did that but I don't mind adding a section like that to the OP later.

Looking good, only a few notes from me:

I would add a scan/reference for the bolded section, since

Outside of that, there’s only some formatting stuff that should be changed. The Others section is called Notable Matchups now, and the Notes/Explanations section should be below the References section.

Preciate ya,

I'll add these changes in a minute.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Shouldn’t she get 7B since most of her peers are in those tiers anyway

 

[Godernet]

However, I disagree with the speed change. (Just keep in mind I am by no means a Naruto scaler so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.)

the speed change is due to our speed sections being kind of a mess rn however by current scaling she should be Sub Rel rather than MHS+ by our current scaling logic.

4th Ay is currently Sub Rel in his Version 1 and Version 2 Lightning Cloaks

Minato is a rival in speed to Ay in reaction and combat speeds.

Teen Obito and Minato fought in a match where the outcome was decided by Minato acting a fraction faster than Obito in his own words.

Konan could tag Adult Obito several times during their fight with paper bombs.

therefore Konan is Sub Rel until more recent speed revisions come out for the High/Top Tier characters.

 

[Godernet]

Shouldn’t she get 7B since most of her peers are in those tiers anyway

If by her Peers we mean the Akatsuki's physicals it's kind of a mixed bag.

some are 7B, 7A, or even 6C.

Given that Konan has 0 physical feats at all it's hard for me to justify her being able to punch as hard as Base Might Guy.

So I went for an easier lane with "bare minimum jounin tier"

If the argument for her being 7B specifically I wouldn't mind at all, but she's just kinda featless without Paper Ninjutsu.

 

[Nierre]

Not a fan of giving her physical ratings at all tbh, she doesn't fight physically at all. She doesn't really have any justification for punching or kicking harder than the S4 considering her Jutsu pretty much does all the hard work. It's why I also downgraded/removed Shino's "possibly Jonin level" AP/SS

 

[Godernet]

Not a fan of giving her physical ratings at all tbh, she doesn't fight physically at all. She doesn't really have any justification for punching or kicking harder than the S4 considering her Jutsu pretty much does all the hard work. It's why I also downgraded/removed Shino's "possibly Jonin level" AP/SS

I'm just personally not a fan of the unknown rating, especially if we can somewhat gauge that a person should at least be stronger than massively weaker characters.

and especially if that character has durability feats already that are in line with her peers and other abilities.

I don't think Konan is hundreds of times weaker than her ninjutsu or her own durability, nor do I think there's any reason to assume she can amp her paper ninjutsu and her durability to Bijuu levels but can't even amp her physical attacks to baseline jounin level.

at least with Shino he has 0 physical feats at all past Part 1 and has no way of being gauged outside the hax his bugs give him.

It's also not like physically attacking people is something Konan would never try because she has tried to physically attack other shinobi before but isn't really given an opportunity for hits to connect.

In her two major fights, Jiraiya pm shuts her down immediately and she goes into the Obito fight fully knowing she was gonna try and nuke him.

But at the same time, I do get leaving it ambiguous with an unknown since at the end of the day she's fearless, I don't mind dropping the physical ap part of her profile if that's what y'all would rather do.

I'm fine doing it either way.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If by her Peers we mean the Akatsuki's physicals it's kind of a mixed bag.

some are 7B, 7A, or even 6C.

Given that Konan has 0 physical feats at all it's hard for me to justify her being able to punch as hard as Base Might Guy.

So I went for an easier lane with "bare minimum jounin tier"

If the argument for her being 7B specifically I wouldn't mind at all, but she's just kinda featless without Paper Ninjutsu.

what about the akatsuki being recruited to fight with bijuus [uncontrolled bijuus are not 6c] which while can be a position where members are selected based on favorable hax but it should also require some base line level of physical might to withstand the powers of others and to be considered for recruitment, as we cannot choose hax merchants that are brittle and would crumble so I think a possibly 7B would be great given the situation, the storm anime scene of her fodderising sasori would somewhat add credence to it as it seems to be a narrative implication of her being so high above him that it would be weird if her physicals werent at least comparable to his (I think thats how it went in the clip i dont remember it too clearly so correct me if I'm wrong)

and since akatsuki members are generally ninjas far beyond everything the normal shinobis have to offer who are superior to the children she should get the full on town level scaling

 

[Testarossa002]

I'm not sure about that
Deidara is a similar type of fighter to her (mid-long range while being very versatile) and had no apparent trouble in taking out a bijuu
She can also use ninjutsu to protect herself. So it's not as if she's a glass canon
I think it's fine to leave her in the jonin tier range. We've seen Jonin tier dudes coat chewing sticks with enough chakra to deflect attacks from other jonins. They should, at the very least, be able to augment their body with the same level of chakra

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

looks good, i should also note for what its worth Konan's paper can replicate things like water and earth to such an extent that not even the sharingan is able to detect any inconsistencies, and the latter can straight up see chakra/at a cellular level/virus ect

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Fantastic work! 2nd best girl definitely deserved some love, and you did a great job, brother.

That being said, there's a few minor nitpicks I wanna mention.

• Minor Illusion Creation and Duplication (With the Clone Technique, Kunoichi can create illusionary duplicates of themselves that have no physical substance<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Godernet/best_Nardo_girl#cite_note-“Ninja1”-59">[59]</a>)

This should be changed to this, given one of my past threads got that accepted. Unfortunately, it hasn't been universally applied as of yet.

able to tag Obito with paper bombs<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Godernet/best_Nardo_girl#cite_note-Chap509-51">[51]</a>

I've thought about it, and I'm honestly not too sure about this one.
So I reread Chapters 509 and 510, and here's the rundown:

• Konan throws Paper weapons at a stationary Obito, and they just go through him thanks to Kamui.
• Konan charges at a stationary Obito, who casually tags her physically. However, she did manage to deploy her explosives before he could Succ no Jutsu her.
• After Konan opens the rift, Obito is pretty much helpless in mid-air and surrounded from every conceivable direction and is freefalling. Which is why he can't teleport away either. Exploiting all of these factors, Konan pretty much bombards Obito for 10 minutes.

My personal takeaway from all of this is that Konan isn't really some Minato tier speedster, she has no physical feats on par with Obito whatsoever. She only tags him with paper bombs that were already pretty much at point blank range. And later on, he was suspended in mid-air and unable to move, whilst still being completely surrounded.
You could argue that her paper attacks were fast enough to intercept his BFR and Teleportation speed, which is impressive, but even then that'd be nothing more than Attack Speed. And I think the context of Obito being completely surrounded should be taken into account.

I say this because Konan was tagged by Jiraiya, using a pseduo-AOE attack to be fair, but still. Also she was kinda caught off-guard, but in any case, not the best showings for a Minato tier speedster lol.

Konan does have good feats, though, and I think she's definitely a super solid high level Kage tier fighter. Just not speed god tier necessarily.

She fought and handily defeated Sasori for example. And she reacted to and damn near intercepted a charge from Kyuubi amped SM Naruto. So I still think she's pretty fast, just not Minato-ish tier fast is all.

But, yeah, other than these minor things, I have no complaints. Great work, once again!

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

She fought and handily defeated Sasori for example. And she reacted to and damn near intercepted a charge from Kyuubi amped SM Naruto. So I still think she's pretty fast, just not Minato-ish tier fast is all.

Doesn't Naruto keep thinking about Jiraiya's words in that panel? I wouldn't use that as a reaction speed feat.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Doesn't Naruto keep thinking about Jiraiya's words in that panel? I wouldn't use that as a reaction speed feat.

Well, it's a good thing you're not then.