Paper Girl (Naruto CRT)

[Godernet]

Hey, y'all I've been procrastinating for a hot minute on some other stuff I've been working on so I figured I'd at least get back into it with a profile I've been sitting on for a while.

I plan to get to the rest of the Akatsuki at some point, minus the ones like Itachi and Pain, who already have up-to-date profiles.

Old Profile

New Profile

Thanks to the homies @LordTracer and @UchihaSlayer96 for giving some suggestions and reviewing it a few times.

It's nothing controversial but let's keep it civil like usual.

Oh yeah and ik it's a bit late but Happy Chinese New Years

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Just a small thing: isn't it a given standard to list the changes done when reworking a profile?

 

[LordTracer]

Looking good, only a few notes from me:

Although she has shown no feats of physical combat, as an S-Class Missing Nin, a position of rouge Shinobi exclusively comprised of Jounin and Kage level fighters

I would add a scan/reference for the bolded section.

Outside of that, there’s only some formatting stuff that should be changed. The Others section is called Notable Matchups now, and the Notes/Explanations section should be below the References section.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well, Regardless of it the profile looks a lot better now, and I can't find anything wrong with the Power Ability section when looking over it.

However, I disagree with the speed change. (Just keep in mind I am by no means a Naruto scaler so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.)

 

[Godernet]

Just a small thing: isn't it a given standard to list the changes done when reworking a profile?

In the Profile revisions I've seen recently, people have just let the new additions speak for themselves so I wasn't sure if people still did that but I don't mind adding a section like that to the OP later.

Looking good, only a few notes from me:

I would add a scan/reference for the bolded section, since

Outside of that, there’s only some formatting stuff that should be changed. The Others section is called Notable Matchups now, and the Notes/Explanations section should be below the References section.

Preciate ya,

I'll add these changes in a minute.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Shouldn’t she get 7B since most of her peers are in those tiers anyway

 

[Godernet]

However, I disagree with the speed change. (Just keep in mind I am by no means a Naruto scaler so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.)

the speed change is due to our speed sections being kind of a mess rn however by current scaling she should be Sub Rel rather than MHS+ by our current scaling logic.

4th Ay is currently Sub Rel in his Version 1 and Version 2 Lightning Cloaks

Minato is a rival in speed to Ay in reaction and combat speeds.

Teen Obito and Minato fought in a match where the outcome was decided by Minato acting a fraction faster than Obito in his own words.

Konan could tag Adult Obito several times during their fight with paper bombs.

therefore Konan is Sub Rel until more recent speed revisions come out for the High/Top Tier characters.

 

[Godernet]

Shouldn’t she get 7B since most of her peers are in those tiers anyway

If by her Peers we mean the Akatsuki's physicals it's kind of a mixed bag.

some are 7B, 7A, or even 6C.

Given that Konan has 0 physical feats at all it's hard for me to justify her being able to punch as hard as Base Might Guy.

So I went for an easier lane with "bare minimum jounin tier"

If the argument for her being 7B specifically I wouldn't mind at all, but she's just kinda featless without Paper Ninjutsu.

 

[Nierre]

Not a fan of giving her physical ratings at all tbh, she doesn't fight physically at all. She doesn't really have any justification for punching or kicking harder than the S4 considering her Jutsu pretty much does all the hard work. It's why I also downgraded/removed Shino's "possibly Jonin level" AP/SS

 

[Godernet]

Not a fan of giving her physical ratings at all tbh, she doesn't fight physically at all. She doesn't really have any justification for punching or kicking harder than the S4 considering her Jutsu pretty much does all the hard work. It's why I also downgraded/removed Shino's "possibly Jonin level" AP/SS

I'm just personally not a fan of the unknown rating, especially if we can somewhat gauge that a person should at least be stronger than massively weaker characters.

and especially if that character has durability feats already that are in line with her peers and other abilities.

I don't think Konan is hundreds of times weaker than her ninjutsu or her own durability, nor do I think there's any reason to assume she can amp her paper ninjutsu and her durability to Bijuu levels but can't even amp her physical attacks to baseline jounin level.

at least with Shino he has 0 physical feats at all past Part 1 and has no way of being gauged outside the hax his bugs give him.

It's also not like physically attacking people is something Konan would never try because she has tried to physically attack other shinobi before but isn't really given an opportunity for hits to connect.

In her two major fights, Jiraiya pm shuts her down immediately and she goes into the Obito fight fully knowing she was gonna try and nuke him.

But at the same time, I do get leaving it ambiguous with an unknown since at the end of the day she's fearless, I don't mind dropping the physical ap part of her profile if that's what y'all would rather do.

I'm fine doing it either way.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If by her Peers we mean the Akatsuki's physicals it's kind of a mixed bag.

some are 7B, 7A, or even 6C.

Given that Konan has 0 physical feats at all it's hard for me to justify her being able to punch as hard as Base Might Guy.

So I went for an easier lane with "bare minimum jounin tier"

If the argument for her being 7B specifically I wouldn't mind at all, but she's just kinda featless without Paper Ninjutsu.

what about the akatsuki being recruited to fight with bijuus [uncontrolled bijuus are not 6c] which while can be a position where members are selected based on favorable hax but it should also require some base line level of physical might to withstand the powers of others and to be considered for recruitment, as we cannot choose hax merchants that are brittle and would crumble so I think a possibly 7B would be great given the situation, the storm anime scene of her fodderising sasori would somewhat add credence to it as it seems to be a narrative implication of her being so high above him that it would be weird if her physicals werent at least comparable to his (I think thats how it went in the clip i dont remember it too clearly so correct me if I'm wrong)

and since akatsuki members are generally ninjas far beyond everything the normal shinobis have to offer who are superior to the children she should get the full on town level scaling

 

[Testarossa002]

I'm not sure about that
Deidara is a similar type of fighter to her (mid-long range while being very versatile) and had no apparent trouble in taking out a bijuu
She can also use ninjutsu to protect herself. So it's not as if she's a glass canon
I think it's fine to leave her in the jonin tier range. We've seen Jonin tier dudes coat chewing sticks with enough chakra to deflect attacks from other jonins. They should, at the very least, be able to augment their body with the same level of chakra

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

looks good, i should also note for what its worth Konan's paper can replicate things like water and earth to such an extent that not even the sharingan is able to detect any inconsistencies, and the latter can straight up see chakra/at a cellular level/virus ect

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Fantastic work! 2nd best girl definitely deserved some love, and you did a great job, brother.

That being said, there's a few minor nitpicks I wanna mention.

• Minor Illusion Creation and Duplication (With the Clone Technique, Kunoichi can create illusionary duplicates of themselves that have no physical substance<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Godernet/best_Nardo_girl#cite_note-“Ninja1”-59">[59]</a>)

This should be changed to this, given one of my past threads got that accepted. Unfortunately, it hasn't been universally applied as of yet.

able to tag Obito with paper bombs<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Godernet/best_Nardo_girl#cite_note-Chap509-51">[51]</a>

I've thought about it, and I'm honestly not too sure about this one.
So I reread Chapters 509 and 510, and here's the rundown:

• Konan throws Paper weapons at a stationary Obito, and they just go through him thanks to Kamui.
• Konan charges at a stationary Obito, who casually tags her physically. However, she did manage to deploy her explosives before he could Succ no Jutsu her.
• After Konan opens the rift, Obito is pretty much helpless in mid-air and surrounded from every conceivable direction and is freefalling. Which is why he can't teleport away either. Exploiting all of these factors, Konan pretty much bombards Obito for 10 minutes.

My personal takeaway from all of this is that Konan isn't really some Minato tier speedster, she has no physical feats on par with Obito whatsoever. She only tags him with paper bombs that were already pretty much at point blank range. And later on, he was suspended in mid-air and unable to move, whilst still being completely surrounded.
You could argue that her paper attacks were fast enough to intercept his BFR and Teleportation speed, which is impressive, but even then that'd be nothing more than Attack Speed. And I think the context of Obito being completely surrounded should be taken into account.

I say this because Konan was tagged by Jiraiya, using a pseduo-AOE attack to be fair, but still. Also she was kinda caught off-guard, but in any case, not the best showings for a Minato tier speedster lol.

Konan does have good feats, though, and I think she's definitely a super solid high level Kage tier fighter. Just not speed god tier necessarily.

She fought and handily defeated Sasori for example. And she reacted to and damn near intercepted a charge from Kyuubi amped SM Naruto. So I still think she's pretty fast, just not Minato-ish tier fast is all.

But, yeah, other than these minor things, I have no complaints. Great work, once again!

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

She fought and handily defeated Sasori for example. And she reacted to and damn near intercepted a charge from Kyuubi amped SM Naruto. So I still think she's pretty fast, just not Minato-ish tier fast is all.

Doesn't Naruto keep thinking about Jiraiya's words in that panel? I wouldn't use that as a reaction speed feat.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Doesn't Naruto keep thinking about Jiraiya's words in that panel? I wouldn't use that as a reaction speed feat.

Well, it's a good thing you're not then.

 

[Godernet]

Fantastic work! 2nd best girl definitely deserved some love, and you did a great job, brother.

imma let this slide this Tsunade is pretty great too

That being said, there's a few minor nitpicks I wanna mention.

This should be changed to this, given one of my past threads got that accepted. Unfortunately, it hasn't been universally applied as of yet.

that's fine then, I'll change that in a second.

I've thought about it, and I'm honestly not too sure about this one.
So I reread Chapters 509 and 510, and here's the rundown:

• Konan throws Paper weapons at a stationary Obito, and they just go through him thanks to Kamui.
• Konan charges at a stationary Obito, who casually tags her physically. However, she did manage to deploy her explosives before he could Succ no Jutsu her.
• After Konan opens the rift, Obito is pretty much helpless in mid-air and surrounded from every conceivable direction and is freefalling. Which is why he can't teleport away either. Exploiting all of these factors, Konan pretty much bombards Obito for 10 minutes.

My personal takeaway from all of this is that Konan isn't really some Minato tier speedster, she has no physical feats on par with Obito whatsoever. She only tags him with paper bombs that were already pretty much at point blank range. And later on, he was suspended in mid-air and unable to move, whilst still being completely surrounded.
You could argue that her paper attacks were fast enough to intercept his BFR and Teleportation speed, which is impressive, but even then that'd be nothing more than Attack Speed. And I think the context of Obito being completely surrounded should be taken into account.

I say this because Konan was tagged by Jiraiya, using a pseduo-AOE attack to be fair, but still. Also she was kinda caught off-guard, but in any case, not the best showings for a Minato tier speedster lol.

Konan does have good feats, though, and I think she's definitely a super solid high level Kage tier fighter. Just not speed god tier necessarily.

Would MHS+, with Sub Rel reactions and attack speed with Dance of the Shikigami be better?

Her deploying Paper Bombs in the instant before Obito could succ should still put those aspects of her speed up there considering how fast Kamui is.

Like Obito practically blitzing Particle styles explosion speed to save Sasuke with Kamui.

Whether we say Obito ran in and Kamui'd Sasuke away or Kamui'd in the center of particle style himself and Kamui'd Sasuke away, it still makes it that much more impressive that Konan can keep up with Kamui's speed well enough to outmaneuver Obito and damage him before the 600 Bil Paper Bombs.

She fought and handily defeated Sasori for example. And she reacted to and damn near intercepted a charge from Kyuubi amped SM Naruto. So I still think she's pretty fast, just not Minato-ish tier fast is all.

that's fair

But, yeah, other than these minor things, I have no complaints. Great work, once again!

preciate the evaluation brotha

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

imma let this slide this Tsunade is pretty great too

Would MHS+, with Sub Rel reactions and attack speed with Dance of the Shikigami be better?

Her deploying Paper Bombs in the instant before Obito could succ should still put those aspects of her speed up there considering how fast Kamui is.

Like Obito practically blitzing Particle styles explosion speed to save Sasuke with Kamui.

Whether we say Obito ran in and Kamui'd Sasuke away or Kamui'd in the center of particle style himself and Kamui'd Sasuke away, it still makes it that much more impressive that Konan can keep up with Kamui's speed well enough to outmaneuver Obito and damage him before the 600 Bil Paper Bombs.

I'm not really opposed to that.

preciate the evaluation brotha

Anytime

 

[Godernet]

looks good, i should also note for what its worth Konan's paper can replicate things like water and earth to such an extent that not even the sharingan is able to detect any inconsistencies, and the latter can straight up see chakra/at a cellular level/virus ect

do you remember the chapter for this? That would actually be a cool thing to add that I hadn't even considered.

what about the akatsuki being recruited to fight with bijuus [uncontrolled bijuus are not 6c] which while can be a position where members are selected based on favorable hax but it should also require some base line level of physical might to withstand the powers of others and to be considered for recruitment,

I mean to be fair, Konan wasn't really recruited the same way the other Akatsuki members were.

She was a part of the Original Akatsuki that migrated with Nagato as his closest friend and Pain's partner, not to mention the Co-Leader of the Rain and the only person besides Obito who knows about his crippled body and can act as his guard when he needs to move from village to village.

I don't even think we ever get any confirmation that she joins in on the Bijuu capturing personally like the other two-man teams do.

The Six Paths of Pain are fully equipped to handle any Bijuu that isn't Kurama which seems to relegate her to the position of Nagato's bodyguard and occasional crowd control is the Invasion of the Leaf was any indicator of how their teams handles Bijuu capturing.

as we cannot choose hax merchants that are brittle and would crumble so I think a possibly 7B would be great given the situation,

Konan also doesn't really need to physically withstand the powers of the Bijuu when she can regen from most attacks on top of her other paper ninjutsu and explosions being Bijuu level.

Unless she gets hit with a point-blank Bijuu Bomb she can handle herself in a fight with one well enough to not need good physicals (which tbf, no one in the Akatsuki is taking a point-blank Bijuu Bomb with physicality.)

the storm anime scene of her fodderising sasori would somewhat add credence to it as it seems to be a narrative implication of her being so high above him that it would be weird if her physicals werent at least comparable to his (I think thats how it went in the clip i dont remember it too clearly so correct me if I'm wrong)

rewatching the small piece of the fight we got, her paper ninjutsu kinda just fodderizes his puppet at the time. so he says "I lost so you got it I'll go wherever you need."

He also highlights his interest in the rest of the Akatsuki after experiencing Konan's paper ninjutsu.

at least the way it seems to be portrayed, Konan is just better at her specialty than Sasori is at his at this time, with Konan's Paper Ninjutsu also being such a unique ability to him it sparks his interest in the organization in general.

and since akatsuki members are generally ninjas far beyond everything the normal shinobis have to offer who are superior to the children she should get the full on town level scaling

ehh, full-on might be pushing it a bit for a featless character in a no longer UES verse.

Let's see how the rest of this thread pans out for now.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

do you remember the chapter for this? That would actually be a cool thing to add that I hadn't even considered.

It's from the Databook entry for the Kami no Shisha no Jutsu (600 Billion paper thingy)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I see we're finally giving Konan some respect.

 

[Damage3245]

I agree with changing her speed to Massively Hypersonic+ instead of the "At least Sub-Relativistic" she currently has in the sandbox.

I think it'd be better to change her physical AP to just Unknown.

 

[Godernet]

I agree with changing her speed to Massively Hypersonic+ instead of the "At least Sub-Relativistic" she currently has in the sandbox.

How do you feel about what me and Slayer just discussed?

Sub Rel reactions and attack speed with her Paper Ninjutsu due to her feats against Kamui

I think it'd be better to change her physical AP to just Unknown.

So far that’s two staff for this change, and like I said prior I definitely don’t mind if that’s what most would rather do.

However I’ll wait and see if anybody has more to add on the topic before I change it.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

So far that’s two staff for this change, and like I said prior I definitely don’t mind if that’s what most would rather do.

To be clear regarding my stance, I don't have a problem with Konan's AP remaining as is. We have the baseline Jōnin thing accepted specifically for cases such as this.

 

[Arkenis]

Why do you put Chakra manipulation as Chi manipulation instead of the Chakra page you guys already have?

 

[Godernet]

Why do you put Chakra manipulation as Chi manipulation instead of the Chakra page you guys already have?

most of the profiles do that rn I'm pretty sure.

it's partially so that ppl who haven't seen Naruto and aren't gonna look at the blog understand that it's a life force energy rather than just ninja magic.

That distinction becomes important when people are doing SBA matches.

the blog is currently linked under the Statistics Amplification so it's still a part of the profile.

although another way I was thinking about putting it initially was...

Chi Manipulation (Chakra User)

that way both links are at the top of the abilities section.

I don't mind changing it to that tbh

 

[Arkenis]

most of the profiles do that rn I'm pretty sure.

it's partially so that ppl who haven't seen Naruto and aren't gonna look at the blog understand that it's a life force energy rather than just ninja magic.

That distinction becomes important when people are doing SBA matches.

the blog is currently linked under the Statistics Amplification so it's still a part of the profile.

although another way I was thinking about putting it initially was...

Chi Manipulation (Chakra User)

that way both links are at the top of the abilities section.

I don't mind changing it to that tbh

No I mean why do you guys list it all on page instead of making it part of the Chakra Page

 

[Godernet]

No I mean why do you guys list it all on page instead of making it part of the Chakra Page

because there's a bigger revision of the chakra blog in the works at some point.

rather than making small adjustments to the current one I'd rather just wait and let the person that was working on that cook.

 

[Nierre]

Oh yeah also remove that mid "anime" render. Manga >>

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Oh yeah also remove that mid "anime" render. Manga >>

The funny thing is that it's not even from the anime, it's art from a mobile game.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is there anything else about Konan that hasn't been suggested yet? Let's try to fill any gaps that could have been missed.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

uhh terms of skill, i know each akatsuki member can apparently take on an army by themselves

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Im completely agree with this
Her new profile looks clean asf

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

uhh terms of skill, i know each akatsuki member can apparently take on an army by themselves

Right, I remember that statement.

 

[Godernet]

Alright, I took the Suggestions into account, and here's what I've changed since the thread started:

• Format adjustments
• Changed the likely Town level to fully Unknown for Konan's AP and SS (I do intend to make a thread at some point going into more detail on who I believe should qualify as "Baseline Jounin Tier" since I know a few of our staff have some contentions with it, I don't want that specific point being a dragged out topic here even though I do believe Konan should qualify.)
• Changed the At least Sub-Rel speed for Konan into MHS+, at least Sub-Rel reactions and Attack Speed with DotS.
• Changed the Clone Jutsu's Duplication and Minor Illusion Manip to just Illusion Manip.
• Added Konan's feats with Paper Ninjutsu via the Kami no Shisha Jutsu as Resistance to Info Analysis and Enhanced Vision.
• Got rid of the game pfp for Konan.

lmk if there are any other suggestions y'all have

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, I'm fine with that.

Shouldn't Dance of the Shikigami also get Illusion Creation mentioned as well for being able to make the explosive tags appear as earth and water?

 

[LordTracer]

Got rid of the game pfp for Konan.

:anguish:

 

[Nierre]

W updates. profile looks good now

 

[Godernet]

Okay, I'm fine with that.

Shouldn't Dance of the Shikigami also get Illusion Creation mentioned as well for being able to make the explosive tags appear as earth and water?

hmm, yeah I think that should work.

tbh, I wasn't sure how to classify it, crazy skill feat in retrospect.

So good at origami that magic eyes with x-ray vision that can even see viruses in your bloodstream, think your paper is water.

:anguish:

we can added it back when Nierre isn't looking don't worry

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

that is one good looking gallery section