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Over Heaven Reality Overwrite tier upgrade (and a key addition too) [CONTINUED IN NEW THREAD]

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Antvasima said:
You should ask all of the following members to comment here, so we can get anywhere:
The real cal howard

Saikou The Lewd King

Promestein

SomebodyData

Iapitus The Impaler

Dargoo Faust

DemonGodMitchAubin

Qliphoth Bacikal

Starter Pack

The Smashor

Sir Ovens

You should also tell them all that I would appreciate their help.
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There are some issued with some of them

The real cal howard --> You literally just said that he "isn't specialised in evaluating content revision threads in the first place"

Saikou The Lewd King -->Doesen't care

SomebodyData -->Doesen't care

DemonGodMitchAubi -->Doesen't care

Qliphoth Bacikal -->Doesen't care

Starter Pack -->Doesen't care

Sir Ovens -->Doesen't care
 
Did you even try to ask them all? You should tell them that I would appreciate their help. This isn't going to be approved without input from some of them.
 
Now I did with anyone I didn't list, I've just reported the situation with the ones I've already tried from your list
 
Okay. As long as you told them all it is fine. Thanks.

I hope that you mean that you informed the ones you listed as well about the situation.
 
I agree that these revisions should happen. Creating a pocket dimention with a starry sky is pretty blatantly 4-A.

I also agree that the 3-A is more questionable than the 4-A. However, I feel like a "Possibly" works.

Something like "At least 4-A, possibly 3-A to High 3-A with Reality Overwrite".
 
The Smashor said:
I agree that these revisions should happen. Creating a pocket dimention with a starry sky is pretty blatantly 4-A.
I also agree that the 3-A is more questionable than the 4-A. However, I feel like a "Possibly" works.

Something like "At least 4-A, possibly 3-A to High 3-A with Reality Overwrite".
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4-A and 3-A are different keys in thie thread, due to Dio's massive changes after the Absorption
 
@The Smashor

Thank you for helping out.
 
Smashor, that kinda foregoes the High 3-A stuff, that key would effectively make him weaker post absorbtion if pre-absorbtion he's 4-A, possibly High 3-A.
 
No, it has the 3-A as a "Possibly", alongside the High 3-A. Here's what I was thinking for the AP:

At least Building level+ (Should be superior to his canon self). At least Building level+ with The World Over Heaven (Harmed Star Platinum; Should be superior to its previous form). Multi-Solar System level, possibly High Universe level with Reality Overwrite (Created the Over Heaven Area, a dimension with countless stars in it. Erased Funny Valentine from all the multiverse, that is made of infinite timelines.) | At least Building level+. At least Building level+ with The World Over Heaven. At least Multi-Solar System level, possibly Universe level to At least High Universe level with Reality Overwrite (His Reality Overwrite is far superior to before. With the power gained from absorbing the 36 souls and the Complete Holy Corpse was about to conquer and overwrite the reality of the main world as also implied from Enrico Pucci and DIO himself various times. World here means parallel universe in context.)
 
The way that's worded seems to come off as he somehow got weaker in his second key.

Also I think we went full circle, pretty sure that was the original proposal but it was trimmed down already to prevent bloated AP descriptions, think Ognua agreed on that.

So idk what we gonna do. We could just do 4-A, possibly High 3-A for first key and just Likely/Possibly High 3-A for the second?
 
Putting "at least" 2 times is definitely wrong tho

"At least Multi-Solar System level, possibly Universe level to High Universe level with Reality Overwrite (His Reality Overwrite is far superior to before. With the power gained from absorbing the 36 souls and the Complete Holy Corpse was about to conquer and overwrite the reality of the main world as also implied from Enrico Pucci and DIO himself various times. World here means parallel universe in context.)"

Here's the correct version for the RO of the second key
 
Thank you for the input. Please specify which version that you agree with.
 
Can I do anything to help? So far this revision seems prey to some BM, so I'd like to help all the people that have worked hard to draw up and debate this proposal
 
Saikou The Lewd King

Promestein

SomebodyData

Iapitus The Impaler

Dargoo Faust

DemonGodMitchAubin

Qliphoth Bacikal

Starter Pack

The Smashor

Sir Ovens
Yes. I wrote a list here.
 
There are some issued with some of them
The real cal howard --> You literally just said that he "isn't specialised in evaluating content revision threads in the first place"

Saikou The Lewd King -->Doesen't care

SomebodyData -->Doesen't care

DemonGodMitchAubi -->Doesen't care

Qliphoth Bacikal -->Doesen't care

Starter Pack -->Doesen't care

Sir Ovens -->Doesen't care

@StrymULTRA said some of them didnt care
 
Unless they have all stated this, I don't think that we can assume it. Several of them tend to be helpful.
 
Well, that was not very helpful of them in that case. Is somebody else willing to ask them?
 
@Strym I did respond tho. Chariot tried to explain the debate to me but then debate started again.
 
To summarize what I said here

  • The part where DIO does the supposed 3-A feat it's only 4-A as that's what we see.
  • All the dialogues with the words "main world" & "reality" get their meaning redirected to always mean that DIO would do/did a 3-A feat when other interpretations are notably more reasonable.
  • "World" doesn't necessarily maen parallel universe in context, for what is worth.
What do you think of that? Something else I'm not 100% sure of but would like to see argued is to question if Eyes of Heaven really does have infinite universes. I said that I agreed on it before but I'm somewhat uncertain now, all we have in favor of it are the 3 statements in the manga (2 characters unaware of Valentine's ability guessing there are infinite universes and then Valentine himself stating it), but in Eyes of Heaven Valentine contradicts this by saying that even he doesn't know how many universes there are. It would make perfect sense for "infinite" to have been hyperbolic and some video game that only mostly follows the original source doesn't need to get everything right.

Please respond when you can.
 
Back up there, surely you can't be serious?

>it's only 4-A as that's what we see.

Requires you to ignore every single implication, narrative point, character statements and subtext to draw that conclusion. As said previously, what do you want? For a pan out of the entire universe? this is where reading comprehension comes into play and you put two and two together to figure out the scope of the feat. It isn't like the feat just happens with no build-up or plot, if the feat existed in a vacuum then yes, you could say it's only 4-A as we have no other information to go on but that isn't true in the slightest.

>All the dialogues with the words "main world" & "reality" get their meaning redirected to always mean that DIO would do/did a 3-A feat when other interpretations are notably more reasonable.

Because that's exactly what it means? of course a few times aren't talking about overwriting or effecting the main world but rather something else. but a few times doesn't mean every time. A few times are so in your face about it that the only way it'd be more straight forward is if Dio himself said I am going to use my amplified power to overwrite and effect the universe as a whole with my overwrite ability.

>"World" doesn't necessarily maen parallel universe in context, for what is worth.

That's, kinda literally exactly what it means. This point isn't up for debate or subject to opinion, in every single instance throughout the entire game, the term main world has always been used to refer to the main dimension in which Parts 1-6 take place and the word world is used to denote a dimension, whether that be alternate or the main one. Worlds are used as a synonoum as parallel dimensions and universes. I actually can't believe you're trying to argue that last point because there exists no possible way to misintepret main world as anything other than the base universe as that's what it always meant, even in the context of Dio saying it at the end.

> Something else I'm not 100% sure of but would like to see argued is to question if Eyes of Heaven really does have infinite universes.

EOH Funny being unsure doesn't superceed several other expositions with the sole purpose of making a claim that there exists infinite parallel universes. You could argue that Funny being unsure in EOH means EOH doesn't have infinite universes (Even though him saying he isn't 100% certain how many absolutely exist doesn't actually disprove the existence of infinite dimensions nor does it contradict the claims that do suggests or say there are infinite, he doesn't give a number or limit, as such no contradiction is explicitly made, while it does clash with his previous quote it has absolutely zero effect on the other quotes nor does it negate the existing cosmology), but EOH at the same time is supposed to have the same setting, cosmology and for all intents and purposes, be identical to the manga in all regards except for the events of the game itself (It even straight up uses scans of the manga in it's part recaps, everything that happened in the manga happened in EOH canon with only one exception), in which the manga makes a clearpoint to make sure you know D4C has access to infinite parallel worlds and the JoJo cosmology is made up of infinite dimensions. Also those characters where well aware of Funny's ability at that point, hell Gyro says in a way where he sounds absolutely sure of it, at the end of part 7, while Funny is sitting in Love Train. Dude knew what Funny could do and had a clear grasp of his power at that point. Diego was aware of it too but he says it in a way where he's making an educated guess opposed to being certain about it. And Funny straight up says it to himself so there aint any overestimating, lying, flexing going on, Act 4 is about to punch his face in and he thinks I have to escape to one of this world's infinite neighboring dimensions! Or something extremely close to that.

>It would make perfect sense for "infinite" to have been hyperbolic

If you're referring to saying infinite dimensions to be hyperbolic, it really doesn't make sense. Especially when it's clearly outlined as infinite multiple times. If you mean Funny saying TWOH has infinite power, yeah that could be hyperbole, it would definitely count as hyperbole if you just take it at face value that's for certain (Although Funny isn't one to use hyperbole to begin with, usually he's kinda straightforward and blunt about things).

Anyway, aren't you going off topic now?
 
Honestly I still don't get why Eficiente's opposition still counts while she was debunked at least 3 times tho
 
It is rather frustrating that we don't get more staff input here.
 
Ant we all due respect, we had more then enough input to be honest, we just prolonged this cuz of literally one person that disagrees, waiting for more input will take way too long
 
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