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Othinus Vs Hades Vs Anti-Spiral Vs Giorno Giovanna Vs D

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Coleworld12 said:
It does have speed dont make me laugh GER's speed is FTL if you honestly believe that not being bound by the flow of time is impressive and makes it move past the concept of speed like Azathoth for example then im lost for words.......
In any case half of these guys drop dead from hades being there since his presence repels all life and brings about death.And since he is the fastest here i still dont see him losing.
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Learn to read a profile.
 
Please post some feats for Hades controlling causality/reality warping. The ones listed so far as insufficient.

Also, GER is minimum universe level and Hades is maximum multi-universe level. Please don't using min-maxing in an egregious way like that.
 
Coleworld12 said:
I have read the profile i apologize for utilizing common sense.
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You mean you apologize for not knowing the source and pretending to?
 
GER is not simply faster than light. GER has moved in time stops, in time skips and survived the ending of time and space itself. GER is outside of time and space. It says this multiple times on his profile, I pointed this out multiple times in this thread and your response was to skim the profile and tell me Gold Experience's speed, not GER's speed.
 
As for my opinion on this battle, I am not going with GER. This is a stalemate because Hades will kill all the ones capable of killing GER too fast (at least until I see causality feats) and be unable to finish off Giorno.
 
So basically his speed stat isnt what im supposed to look at when referring to his speed are you serious?

And all of what you've stated doesnt change GER's speed stats? His reaction maybe unknown for reacting in erased time but thats about it.Again not being bound by time does does not mean your speed is immeasurable or so on.Example Sata not being fazed by time stop.Face it GER gets blitzed hes not negating what he cant even perceive in the first place.

This is Anti spiral vs Hades the rest are snail paced fodder
 
That's ignorance of GER's power, once more, and also ignoring the fact that, outside of his speed stat, GER is referred to as an automatic defense. Read the profile. Read it.
 
Coleworld12 said:
So basically his speed stat isnt what im supposed to look at when referring to his speed are you serious?
And all of what you've stated doesnt change GER's speed stats? His reaction maybe unknown for reacting in erased time but thats about it.Again not being bound by time does does not mean your speed is immeasurable or so on.Example Sata not being fazed by time stop.Face it GER gets blitzed hes not negating what he cant even perceive in the first place.

This is Anti spiral vs Hades the rest are snail paced fodder
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You obviously don't know how GER works. Saying GER will get blitzed is like saying you're gonna blitz Superman's Super Strenght. You can't blitz someone's power, but you can blitz the user. And once Hades has blitzed and one-shotted Giorno, GER will kick in and revive Giorno by erasing the fact that Hades attacked him. Kinda like Kumagawa's All Fiction. Doesn't change the fact that Giorno is fodder, since Othinus is in the match and she already beat Giorno. And i'm pretty sure she's weaker than the Anti-Spiral, who already lost to Hades.
 
.......Yeah im done this is redundant and your literally just throwing groundless statements around.I have read the profile automatic just means it can function on its own and he doesnt exist beyond speed but ok.
 
automatic just means it can function on its own and he doesnt exist beyond speed but ok ---> except that's not what it means in this context.

Also, @NotEvenHuman, it's a little like All Fiction I guess but Kumagawa just goes to a classroom when he dies and then manually revives himself. It's a little different with GioGio, since he just stops it from happening.
 
@NotEvenHuman

Hades can see GER since stands are living beings and he can see souls,can kill giorno since he can attack on a spiritual and astral lvl ,is leagues faster and inflict a curse which would block his life force and power so dont see him being relevant.Othinus is strong but shes slow her FTL rating is even just attack speed and nothing mentions movement.
 
Coleworld12 said:
@NotEvenHuman
Hades can see GER since stands are living beings and he can see souls,can kill giorno since he can attack on a spiritual and astral lvl ,is leagues faster and inflict a curse which would block his life force and power so dont see him being relevant.Othinus is strong but shes slow her FTL rating is even just attack speed and nothing mentions movement.
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I won't reply to you about GER, because i haven't read JoJo, so i don't know how exactly Stands work, so i can't say if Hades would be able to attack them. Regarding Othinus, her FTL+ rating is combat speed, not just attacks. Also, that's 50% Othinus, who would die instantly in this fight. We're using 100% Othinus here, who has an unknown speed. But she should be faster than before. Also, i don't see why you even mentioned her, since i agree that Hades wins. It goes like this: Hades > Anti-Spiral > Othinus > Giorno. I have no idea who D is, so i didn't mention him.
 
He doesn't have the hax required to block GER, unless causality feats are posted.
 
Alakabamm said:
He doesn't have the hax required to block GER, unless causality feats are posted.
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Yeah, but Othinus does, and Anti-Spiral > Othinus. Hades already has a win against Anti-Spiral. That's literally the only reason i'm siding with Hades here.
 
Basilisk1995 said:
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NotEvenHumanWhat's your reasoning for Othinus>Anti-Spiral??Anti-Spiral don't seem as haxed as Othinus to me.
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Just the fact that he's a full 2-C while Othinus is only Low 2-C. Also, i believe he has Reality Warping on a greater scale.
 
Hmm? I'm not alleging that D and Anti-Spiral can't beat GioGio. They can. They have the required hax. Othinus, I'm a little iffy on and if you look at the thread a while back I posted my reasoning for that.

But my point is that D, AS, and Oth can all be blitzed. They do lose to Hades. Gio can't be blitzed and Hades doesn't appear to have the required power to put him down. To win, Hades needs to force one of those three to kill Gio.

As for transititive property statements, I think they are not quite accurated outside of pure AP statements. These guys are all in the same tier. Just because Anti-Spiral can beat Gio, doesn't mean Hades can beat Gio, even if Hades beats Anti-Spiral.
 
How many universes can Hades destroy without getting tired? For Othinius it's billions literally, but the only reason she is ranked tier low 2-C is because she did them one at a time. That's one at a time while literally taking no effort at all. It was easier to her than snapping her fingers. That's the kind of power she wields. She didn't really just destroy a single universe and got tired, she destroyed the universe, and rewrote it to a number that was very large that the author stopped after billions or trillions lol.
 
^

Doesn't mean she's limited to that level of power. There's no reason for her to do more than one, partially one reason is because no parralel universe exist in index, but apparently other non-parralel universes do. She was trying to torture Touma and make him feel despair, but Touma's plot armor was sooooo great Othinius just gave up on trying to break him even after killing him countless times and bringing him back to life.

Secondly she took no effort to really do any of that. Unless Hades can destroy a universes one after the other with virtually no effort, and is able to destroy universes one after the other hundreds to billions of times, I don't really see him on being the same level as Othinius even if he is technically a higher tier.
 
Effortlessly destroying one isn't evidence that she can destroy more than one Universe which should take much greater energy to achieve. She hasn't shown the ability.


Why is hades multi-Universal when his AP and Durability are only Low Multi-Universal, btw?
 
^ Honestly I know nothing about Saint Seiya.

Yeah greater by a factor of 2 lol. It wasn't that she hasn't shown, it's that she couldn't have, there's only one universe in index that has earth in it.
 
Hades is only possibly low multi universe but regardless he doesn't need raw power to put anyone down his hax and speed is what's giving him victory here if it was about power anti spiral would've won
 
can he use his hax infinitely though? ^ Has he shown ever to get tired? What's the maximum number of universes he's destroyed?
 
I'm pretty sure his feats are already mentioned on his page?And no he's never shown to get tired in the series.And why would he need to use his hax infinitely....? He mainly uses his sword which strikes the soul and inflicts a curse that blacks power and life force.
 
Doesn't D's hand have the ability to absorb like, any kind of magical force?
 
Aurasuke said:
How many universes can Hades destroy without getting tired? For Othinius it's billions literally, but the only reason she is ranked tier low 2-C is because she did them one at a time. That's one at a time while literally taking no effort at all. It was easier to her than snapping her fingers. That's the kind of power she wields. She didn't really just destroy a single universe and got tired, she destroyed the universe, and rewrote it to a number that was very large that the author stopped after billions or trillions lol.
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to be above low 2-C you need to destroy seprerate universes in one go, other wise your just using your stamina to repeat your max capacity over and over. for example Shaka+Shijima destroying countless universes in thier duel.
 
I just checked D's profile.I don't think anyone here can kill him because he has high-godly Regenerationn.Meaning he can regenarate even if his existence or his universe is erased.D cut's through the fount of life which is more fundamental than soul.The other 4 characters don't have anything more fundamental than soul itself.GER is a stand.As far as I know stands are projections of the user's own life.Meaning D can destroy GER.It was agreed here that the people who can see soul can also see stand.Only problem is he doesn't have enough speed to do these.Only if speed is equalized D wins.Otherwise stalemate since no one can kill him as far as I understand.
 
hades doesn`t need to Kill. he can seal his powers away or even bury him soo deep into the tartarus he won`t be able to return.
 
Anti-Spiral already lost to hades badly. he is not winning here.

hades has the ability to deal with either of these characters thus he wins this.
 
Victor2 said:
Anti-Spiral already lost to hades badly. he is not winning here.
hades has the ability to deal with either of these characters thus he wins this.
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You say that without providing any proof whatsoever that Hades can apparently defeat a Nigh-Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient being.

Hades is a Low-Multiversal being at best I have checked, Anti-Spiral is Multiversal being and beyond.

There is no way a being like Hades can defeat Anti-Spiral.

The only reason Hades actually has the win is due to biased people who prefer Hades.
 
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