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Experience doesn't mean a better fighter. Especially when your opponent is proven to adapt better mid combat in skill. Beating a Gladiator with no skill feats doesn't mean much.
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Optimus Prime vs. Son Goku (Super Saiyan Blue) {11-13-0}
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I don't see how Optimus is closer to 2-C given that Goku is quantifiably halfway there while Optimus has no such quantified scailing and i don't see how Optimus would be more skilled than Goku of all people. 4,000,000 years of fighting in martial arts that Goku wouldn't even recognize?
Recognizing the martial arts style or not mean nothing, Optimus wouldn't recognize any of Goku's move either and Goku fough Buu and Beerus, who are far older than 4 million years old, Fat Buu alone is 5 million year old while Kid Buu existed since time immemorial , hell even Shin is at least 5 million years old and use stuff Goku never saw before yet i never saw anyone argue that he was more skilled than Goku just for that.
Treating Buu as a martial artist is just plain wrong. All he did was throw a crazed attack in Goku's direction. Beerus is fine to count though.
Recognizing the martial arts style or not mean nothing, Optimus wouldn't recognize any of Goku's move either and Goku fough Buu and Beerus, who are far older than 4 million years old, Fat Buu alone is 5 million year old while Kid Buu existed since time immemorial , hell even Shin is at least 5 million years old and use stuff Goku never saw before yet i never saw anyone argue that he was more skilled than Goku just for that.
Treating Buu as a martial artist is just plain wrong. All he did was throw a crazed attack in Goku's direction. Beerus is fine to count though.
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Is this the feat, because these feats are just Low 2-C feats, with a scaling chain to those who scale above said feats.LordTracer said:
Shockwave is expending the energy to destroy a universe and then immediately replenishing it via absorbing another universe. Absorption doesn't have a place in tiering. This is just a causal Low 2-C feat.
And Nova's feat is textbook baseline Low 2-C. I don't see how any of this is "nigh-2-C".
Optimus seems to causally scale far above characters who are above baseline Low 2-C. Goku is nearing the power of a person who is shares half of a 2-C feat.
Goku seems quite a bit stronger, imo. As for experience, I don't really know how to quantify shit like that, and frankly, I don't care much.
Anyway, I got class in a minute - so I got to go, bye.
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and Successfully fighting on what level? Nothing exactly stands out skill wise from Optimus while Goku has high battle analytical skills and can pick up on techniques and forms often thousands to millions of years to master in under minutes to seconds, hell i bet he can mimic whatever style Optimus uses pretty quicklyGojiBoyForever said:
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I never voted huh? Monkey Boy FRA.
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How many of those fighting styles in Prime using in character though? I'd assume he'd use his usual if he's fighting a random opponent. Limitless Stamina hardly matter because Goku can fight for days on end and if he has higher AP then he can beat down Prime before he tires.
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Optimus has 8 votes
Goku has 10 votes.
How many more before a winner is declare
Goku has 10 votes.
How many more before a winner is declare
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Are you seriously assuming that Cybertronians (an ALIEN RACE OLDER THAN OURS) would fight the same conventional ways as us? KEK! xDDragomer said:
And you would have to make more assumptions to say that he isn't actively participating in battlefield than he is. Seriously, what other thing are you supposed to do in an active battlfield other than actively participate in combat? I'll try to find you some feats of him actively fighting in the frontlines, though (granted, that's gonna be hard 'cause there aren't that many respect threads and there are a crapton of released T_T).
Also, Goku has only TRAINED for days, not fought for days. Both are different scenarios. Considering the stamina gap is so large, it SHOULD matter. To what degree? I don't know.
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Ted Ed change he's vote to Goku
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Optimus has fought on a battlefield for weeks, as has Megatron.and a WW2 Vets has fough on a battlefield for months, time passed on a battlefield =/= time passed in active combat without pause.
Are you seriously assuming that Cybertronians (an ALIEN RACE OLDER THAN OURS) would fight the same conventional ways as us? KEK! xD
And you would have to make more assumptions to say that he isn't actively participating in battlefield than he is. Seriously, what other thing are you supposed to do in an active battlfield other than actively participate in combat? I'll try to find you some feats of him actively fighting in the frontlines, though (granted, that's gonna be hard 'cause there aren't that many respect threads and there are a crapton of released T_T).
Also, Goku has only TRAINED for days, not fought for days. Both are different scenarios. Considering the stamina gap is so large, it SHOULD matter. To what degree? I don't know.
We are assuming in general when it comes to Optimus fighting skill sense he has no skill feats. Dozens of fighting skill is vague with no actual feat of using any of them.
Are you seriously assuming that Cybertronians (an ALIEN RACE OLDER THAN OURS) would fight the same conventional ways as us? KEK! xD
And you would have to make more assumptions to say that he isn't actively participating in battlefield than he is. Seriously, what other thing are you supposed to do in an active battlfield other than actively participate in combat? I'll try to find you some feats of him actively fighting in the frontlines, though (granted, that's gonna be hard 'cause there aren't that many respect threads and there are a crapton of released T_T).
Also, Goku has only TRAINED for days, not fought for days. Both are different scenarios. Considering the stamina gap is so large, it SHOULD matter. To what degree? I don't know.
We are assuming in general when it comes to Optimus fighting skill sense he has no skill feats. Dozens of fighting skill is vague with no actual feat of using any of them.
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Don't quote Walls of Text please.
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Also besides Goku has Analytical Prediction
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Voting Goku via more techniques, Analytical Prediction, range, intelligence, and stat amps if he really needs them.
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That isn't Analytical Prediction, that's Info Analysis.
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Maybe make a CRT?
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Optimus has fought on a battlefield for weeks, as has Megatron.
and a WW2 Vets has fough on a battlefield for months, time passed on a battlefield =/= time passed in active combat without pause.
I'm saying that a battle between Goku and Prime would likely not even last a day. I doubt Goku is going to tire in the time that it will take him to kill Prime. I'm not trying to flex Goku's stamina on Prime.
and a WW2 Vets has fough on a battlefield for months, time passed on a battlefield =/= time passed in active combat without pause.
I'm saying that a battle between Goku and Prime would likely not even last a day. I doubt Goku is going to tire in the time that it will take him to kill Prime. I'm not trying to flex Goku's stamina on Prime.
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Alriiiiiiiiiight I'm back with some evidence that Optimus Prime's one skilled Autobot. Here is a Respect Thread I found with some evidence to his good skill!
And here's a video of a bit more info! (Sure some of the info is mainly G1, but I spotted some skill feats for IDW Optimus Prime in there.)
And here's a video of a bit more info! (Sure some of the info is mainly G1, but I spotted some skill feats for IDW Optimus Prime in there.)
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Optimus FRA
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Litteraly none of those scans depict skills beyond normal, hell they don't even really count as skill feats, they are just strenghts feats.
Anyone with eyes should be able to tell he has some sort of form behind his fighting, and that's not just throwing punches randomly. I'm also fairly certain we already came to the conclusion this wasn't a contest of skill, yes?
Anyone with eyes should be able to tell he has some sort of form behind his fighting, and that's not just throwing punches randomly. I'm also fairly certain we already came to the conclusion this wasn't a contest of skill, yes?
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Anyone with eyes should be able to tell he has some sort of form behind his fighting, and that's not just throwing punches randomly. I'm also fairly certain we already came to the conclusion this wasn't a contest of skill, yes?CalebTB12 said:
And anyone with eyes can see that Batman and Karate Kid have no form behind their fighting, does that mean we consider them shit tier ? no, we go by what is demonstrated through fit and statement, not by if their forms look like something IRL and none of those scans said or shown anything related to skill.
I'm not the one who started the 'who is more skilled' thing, it was brough up by the Optimus guys so say that to them, in the meantime no skill feat have been produced in his favor.
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Optimus FRA and active (successful) battle experience, especially 4 million years of it should be more than enough to put Prime on adequate levels of skill. As mentioned above, skill shouldn't be that big of a factor at this point.
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