OPM Minor Revisions and a Possible Boros Upgrade.

[Dual_Binoculars]

Alright the first section is just some minor cleanup and revisions following the redraws:
(credit to Emirp sumitpo for this section)

All those who scale to Atomic Samurai's MHS+ should be At least MHS via the statement of Atomic Samurai being able to beat Half Monster Garou. Basically, all MHS+ ratings should be placed as At least MHS since Atomic's Lightning feat got removed.

Psykorochi, Ten Second Genos and Tatsumaki should have their At least removed and be changed to just MHS+ as the at least is now unnecessary.

Orochi's First Key should be removed and he should just have one key (Low 5-B) since his past forms are just him holding back.

Finally the Possible Boros Upgrade:

Since Orochi is now Physically Low 5-B then I propose that Boros should be At least 6-A, Possibly Low 5-B Physically based off of Saitama's statements on Boros' strength. During their battle Saitama called Boros strong not once, but twice. After Boros launched Saitama to the moon Saitama said that their battle was looking more like a real fight. Finally after Boros' defeat Saitama said that Boros was one hell of a tough guy, probably the strongest I've faced so far to Genos. Now compare this to his fight with Orochi in which Saitama made no comments on Orochi's strength at all and treated him like a rude kid splashing water in a bathtub.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm neutral on the Boros stuff, but I obviously agree on the rest because I proposed them uwu

 

[EnderLord8]

I agree with everything

 

[LordTracer]

I agree with the stuff Emirp suggested, not gonna say anything about the Boros stuff because I’m pretty sure we don’t use Saitama’s statements.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

instead of removing orochis first key, we can change it to masked/holding back and make it 6-C possibly low 5-B

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I agree with the stuff Emirp suggested, not gonna say anything about the Boros stuff because I’m pretty sure we don’t use Saitama’s statements.

I guess it's case by case tbh. This is one of the few times where Saitama does seem genuine, which is funny coming from me. But ultimately, I dunno if that's enough.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

instead of removing orochis first key, we can change it to masked/holding back and make it 6-C possibly low 5-B

No? He literally has no reason for it. It's just him tangling and shapeshifting. Why would give a key for him holding back

 

[Pepsiman25th]

No? He literally has no reason for it. It's just him tangling and shapeshifting. Why would give a key for him holding back

you got a point, we should remove it

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I totally agree with boros, he should be likely low 5-B, I've also heard that his surface feat can also be low 5-B depending on how you calculate it, so it's consistent.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

I agree with the stuff Emirp suggested, not gonna say anything about the Boros stuff because I’m pretty sure we don’t use Saitama’s statements.

I know we don't scale anyone physically to Saitama, but I've never heard anything about not using his statements especially when he made multiple of them for the same person and nothing really contradicts them.

 

[LordTracer]

I've also heard that his surface feat can also be low 5-B depending on how you calculate it, so it's consistent

That actually doesn’t make it consistent, because that version of the calc was rejected in the last thread

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I totally agree with boros, he should be likely low 5-B, I've also heard that his surface feat can also be low 5-B depending on how you calculate it, so it's consistent.

I guess we could use armorchompy's suggestion for mass ejection tbh

 

[Pepsiman25th]

i have a few request to for orochi

resistance to mind manip since he is not able to be controlled by psykos powers

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That actually doesn’t make it consistent, because that version of the calc was rejected in the last thread

It was rejected due to the ends of ejecting the entire surface to space.

Tho I still think that scorching is more valid than mass ejection is

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Honestly ? I see no reason to not use those Saitama's quotes in this case

Like I said earlier in the discussion thread, they are Saitama's perception of someone, while his power level used may change to an unknown degree and thus, can't be used, his impressions of someone else should be valid to use so long is under a likely or a possibly

So I don't have problems with the Boros stuff

 

[Nullflowerblush]

No? He literally has no reason for it. It's just him tangling and shapeshifting. Why would give a key for him holding back

Frieza.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Frieza.

That's a different case. In those case, Orochi is literally just untangling himself. There's no implication of a power difference

 

[LordTracer]

It was rejected due to the ends of ejecting the entire surface to space.

Those are the Low 5-B ends though lel

 

[Bernkastelll]

After Boros launched Saitama to the moon Saitama said that their battle was looking more like a real fight.

I disagree with this part being AP based, he only said it because he was without oxygen and he could die there, but yeah, I agree with this thread

 

[Bernkastelll]

Frieza.

?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

?

he basically says that frieza has keys for holding back so orochi should too, but I disagree with that because it's a different case.

 

[Bernkastelll]

he basically says that frieza has keys for holding back so orochi should too, but I disagree with that because it's a different case.

Frieza case is like, transformations/transformations in contrariy, but thats a different case, ye, thats like Beerus, who has 4-B feats as stomping SSJ3 Goku, but he always was like Low 2-C, so, make no sense to him have others keys lower than it

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with everyone, neutral on Boros upscaling from Orochi.

In regards to the Low 5-B CSRC calc here’s what a calculation group member said on it in the last thread:

“Blast away doesn't necessarily imply shooting it into space IMO. Shooting it, say, 1 km in the air would definitely fit the definition of "blast away/scatter". I don't think that end is safe to use.” (He says the same on in the blog itself)

I agree with this take and don’t think the statement is clear cut enough to take it as Boros ejecting the mass into space.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Well, Saitama called Boros as ''too strong'', more than once, and he literally never said to other person in a battle iirc

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also a lot of matches in Saitama's profile especially are outdated. We need to remove them later.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Also a lot of matches in Saitama's profile especially are outdated. We need to remove them later.

 

[Quangotjokes]

I agree with the upgrade

 

[Kachon123]

I agree with upgrade : )

 

[TheLastStylebender]

I agree with everything, especially with boros upgrade ,he is the strongest villain with garou

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I agree with everything, especially with boros upgrade ,he is the strongest villain with garou

At least give reasons goddammit

 

[Pepsiman25th]

At least give reasons goddammit

both knocked saitama back a bit so ez low 5-B

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

both knocked saitama back a bit so ez low 5-B

No

 

[Bernkastelll]

both knocked saitama back a bit so ez low 5-B

 

[Qawsedf234]

All those who scale to Atomic Samurai's MHS+ should be At least MHS via the statement of Atomic Samurai being able to beat Half Monster Garou. Basically, all MHS+ ratings should be placed as At least MHS since Atomic's Lightning feat got removed.

Psykorochi, Ten Second Genos and Tatsumaki should have their At least removed and be changed to just MHS+ as the at least is now unnecessary

Yeah I agree with it being removed. The issue with redraws I guess

Orochi's First Key should be removed and he should just have one key (Low 5-B) since his past forms are just him holding back.

Since no one scales to this form I'm all good here.

Finally the Possible Boros Upgrade:

Since Orochi is now Physically Low 5-B then I propose that Boros should be At least 6-A, Possibly Low 5-B Physically based off of Saitama's statements on Boros' strength. During their battle Saitama called Boros strong not once, but twice. After Boros launched Saitama to the moon Saitama said that their battle was looking more like a real fight. Finally after Boros' defeat Saitama said that Boros was one hell of a tough guy, probably the strongest I've faced so far to Genos. Now compare this to his fight with Orochi in which Saitama made no comments on Orochi's strength at all and treated him like a rude kid splashing water in a bathtub.

On one hand I agree with this, but that may be because I'm a fan boy.

I'd feel better if we waited for AG's fight for something harder honestly. Even if I do think this should be added.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'd feel better if we waited for AG's fight for something harder honestly. Even if I do think this should be added.

Eh, I'm starting to have my hopes lowered for that tbh

 

[GodlyCharmander]

We have multiple WoG stating Borus could tangle with AG, or others that implies that Orochi is relative to Boros. (Both being "Dragon+" threat, a level attributed just to them if I'm not mistaken)

Boros is ahead of Tatsumaki too, so he should scale regardless, right? He should also be above his own ship, which narratively could be above Tatsumaki as well.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We have multiple WoG stating Borus could tangle with Monster Garou, or others that implies that Orochi is relative to Boros. (Both being "Dragon+" threat, a level attributed just to them if I'm not mistaken)

Boros is ahead of Tatsumaki too, so he should scale regardless, right? He should also be above his own ship, which narratively could be above Tatsumaki as well.

Awakaned Garou doesn't exist in the manga yet. And we don't cross scale between manga and webcomic

Also Orochi is only possibly a dragon or above. As his dragon or above rating comes from Murata, and we treat his statements as only a possibly.

So really, Boros is the only true dragon or above character.

 

[JirensMom]

We have multiple WoG stating Borus could tangle with Monster Garou, or others that implies that Orochi is relative to Boros. (Both being "Dragon+" threat, a level attributed just to them if I'm not mistaken)

Boros is ahead of Tatsumaki too, so he should scale regardless, right? He should also be above his own ship, which narratively could be above Tatsumaki as well.

We should wait till the AG fight where we will most likely get the most impressive feats and another Boros vs Garou statement before scaling Boros above tats and etc.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Boros is ahead of Tatsumaki too, so he should scale regardless, right? He should also be above his own ship, which narratively could be above Tatsumaki as well.

I still don't get this. What part of of the narrative should the ship be above Tatsumaki. Tatsumaki herself wasn't trying that much when she was destroying the ship. And she has a calm expression throughout the entire thing.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

TBH I can understand wanting to wait for the AG fight, but unless Boros is named dropped or Saitama says something to AG like "your the second strongest person I fought" I don't think Boros would be able to get a solid rating. Especially with people wanting to throw out old statements on him and AG being around the same level. INB4 Garou is only tier 6 by feats and also gets a possibly Low 5-B.