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Human Garou and those who scale to him are fine tbh, he downscales from Low 7-B Genos. It's suiryu that's the problem, as he doesn't exactly scale to Garou
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IIRC It is implied they are comparable, and the ova supports it.I have a quick question. Why do we consider Suiryu comparable to Human Garou?
The ova is anime only, and we generally don't use anime stuff, even if approved by ONE or not, and I don't think there were any statements the 2 are comparable. Plus, It's likely Garou is stronger as the moment he tried to exert himself, the machine brokeIIRC It is implied they are comparable, and the ova supports it.
Just because he thinks doesn't mean he is. Also "worthy opponent" does not mean the 2 are comparable.Suiryu sees Garou win the super-fight and he thinks that "Oh, this may be a worthy opponent to me".
Also, didn't we all agree that he scales to him in the previous CRT?
That’s because Saitama’s too damn strong for literally anybody in the verse. What evidence suggests Genos wasn’t going all-out, because literally nothing in that fight implies that.
IIRC, Damage3245 and Matthew Schroeder disagreed with it.Didn't we all agree to scale Genos to Low 7-B in the previous thread?
Why wasn't this added yet?We agreed that Garou could have a Low 7-B rating only with WRSF
I agree with the two of them scaling. Garou breaking the machine just means he got faster, we can't prove he got stronger in general. You could argue Suiryu also had his armbands and wasn't going all out. Also, Suiryu scaling is very ocnsistent because a weakened version of himself was able to break Bakuzan's toe, a Dragon level threat.I agree with all here, I feel that Suiryu shouldn't scale to human Garou, as his scaling comes from an anime feat, and we generally don't use anime stuff to compare to the manga, even if approved by ONE or not. Suiryu should probably be downgraded for that or get another new reasoning for his rating.
That's true. Had Garou not had martial arts, he wold have been killed, as those attack could potentially one shot him. I would put Garou at High 7-C, Low 7-B with WRSF.Also I think Murata made a claim that if Zenko didn't stop Metal Bat, Metal bat likely would've killed Garou. Even Garou stated he likely would've received damage.
Because it's stated that it takes a lot to get into the S-Class, as well as Iaian later on stating that he's not exactly worthy to be in the S-Class. And even beyond that, he still scales to DSK, who's also MHSAlso, why does Bos Genos upscale from Iaian in speed? It's very clear that Iaian got faster by the time the MA war arrived. He was slower before. And him not being an S class hero doesn't mean anything, since Genos just got an S class rating and Iaian probably had to go up in the ranks until he was stopped by Amai Mask. Not to mention he was said to be S class level by Fubuki.
He dodged a point blank attack from Melzalgard. Sky King couldn't do that at all, despite being stated equal to DSK (Someone comparable in speed to Post-Meteor arc Genos).
I think Garou's physicals have to downscale from Spiral Incineration Cannon, since Genos was harming him before that (with machine gun blows and regular incineration cannons) and resorted to that move to shoot him out of the sky (presumably killing or incapacitating him). The thing about making Garou low 7-B is that I don't think he can do attacks on that level without attack reflection. He can block and redirect Low 7-B energy, but not generate it himself.That’s because Saitama’s too damn strong for literally anybody in the verse. What evidence suggests Genos wasn’t going all-out, because literally nothing in that fight implies that.
He did, it was downgraded when some people took objection to the cloud scaling. Actually, the Suiryu change is what prompted the Gouketsu recalcLike I said, we don't use the anime stuff in general. However, suiryu downscaling to "At most Low 7-B" via downscaling from Bakuzan could work. Didn't suiryu used to have a Low 7-B calc?
They disagreed a couple CRTs ago, when Genos was going to get upgraded to 7-B+ with JDA. They didn't argue with the Low 7-B calc from what I rememberIIRC, Damage3245 and Matthew Schroeder disagreed with it.
If Genos is Low 7-B physicals, it may affect the others, like Garou and Tanktop Master. But I guess you could argue that Genos was holding back, Garou obviously didn't compare JDA to Genos' physicals, who he believes to be physically on par with TTM. JDA is clearly a different and much more powerful attack compared to his normal strikes.
Ah I see. I think Garou = Suiryu should be removed and be replaced with "At most Low 7-B" via downscaling from bakugan, who is Low 7-B+. But I feel it's a tad iffy, so either that or we downgrade him with another feat.He did, it was downgraded when some people took objection to the cloud scaling. Actually, the Suiryu change is what prompted the Gouketsu recalc
Genos also said his skills were s-class, which places him at least Puri Puri's level, since I don't think Genos had seen any weaker showings from the S-class than Puri Puri when he took on MelzalgaldI think Suiryu could likely be At least 8-A in the worst case scenario, as Iaian is stated the be wrothy of the S-Class. And so at the very least should be comparable to the weakest "S-Class worth" hero
Iaian was likely faster than the PPP who fought DSK even before the raid, so that's not valid imo.Because it's stated that it takes a lot to get into the S-Class, as well as Iaian later on stating that he's not exactly worthy to be in the S-Class. And even beyond that, he still scales to DSK, who's also MHS
My only isuue is Tank Top Master. It should be specified that feat was done with Fubuki's amp.USklaverei/sandbox
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I have a few issues with this.I think Garou's physicals have to downscale from Spiral Incineration Cannon, since Genos was harming him before that (with machine gun blows and regular incineration cannons) and resorted to that move to shoot him out of the sky (presumably killing or incapacitating him). The thing about making Garou low 7-B is that I don't think he can do attacks on that level without attack reflection. He can block and redirect Low 7-B energy, but not generate it himself.
And about Genos's tiering, Low 7-B is fine, since his durability must be Low 7-B according to JDA, and he has at least two attacks that are Low 7-B (JDA, Ultra Spiral Incineration Cannon). He can take Low 7-B hits and dish out Low 7-B damage, but fighting at full power will be energy intensive for him. The reason he wouldn't use JDA or Ultra Spiral Incineration Cannon until he had to against EC is that those moves really dip into his gas tank.
Against a lesser threat like Garou, it made more sense to spam low intensity attacks and gradually overwhelm Garou's WSRSF with volume and not AP. Genos played that fight very smart and would have killed Garou if Bang hadn't intervened imo. For all I know, Garou could have deflected something like Jet Drive Arrow (it's in the same tier as metal bat's swings), but he can't deflect machine gun blows because it's too much too quick for him.
Genos is only confirmed physically a Low 7-B in durability, not in striking strength, so I don't think Garou should be that level.I have a few issues with this.
First of all, an attack having a calc at a certain level doesn’t mean it is only that level. The Spiral Incineration Cannon > Genos’ physicals, and if we say Genos’ physicals are Low 7-B, then the Spiral Incineration Cannon is also that tier.
Secondly, we have Genos’ physicals at Low 7-B and Human Garou tanked several hits from him and clashed with him without WSRSF (and remember that Garou was weakened at this time). That means H-Garou’s durability and SS would have to be Low 7-B.
Thirdly, yes, Genos was very clearly going for the kill against Garou. That gives even more support to him scaling, since he was going against a Low 7-B Genos that was intending to kill him, and yet he was still able to clash and tank hits from him.
Garou downscaling just does not work.
His Striking Strength is literally Small City level.Genos is only confirmed physically a Low 7-B in durability, not in striking strength, so I don't think Garou should be that level.