One Piece Discussion Thread Thirteen Impel Down

[Stefano4444]

Honestly the marines could beat all 4 Yonko at the same time

That's bullshit, considering that they had to call their strongest fighters along a good chuck of their best soldiers just to fight one Yonko's crew and his allied crews, it would be a suicide to fight all them at the same time.

 

[Js250476]

Why else do you think the Marines panic when the possibility of 2 Yonkos forming an alliance happens like when Whitebeard and Shanks had there meeting.

 

[RedHairShanks56]

The marines cant take 4 yonko at the same time

 

[LordWhis]

5 top tiers vs 10 top tiers.

 

[RedHairShanks56]

How long have you been watching op

 

[AstralKing7]

Why do we even consider the Marie's top tier in the first place. 5 top tier being afraid of 2 top tier??

We really need to start reevaluating the status

 

[Ifeano0]

being afraid doesnt mean they cant take them on plus it makes sense for them to be afraid do u know how much trouble and mayham 2 yonko aliances could pull of and ur also ignoring that the marines would totally go after bigmom and kaido if thier forces were not streched so thin from going to capture the warlords and the whole reverie event

 

[Ifeano0]

also like the WB pirates actually took a fat L agaisnt the marines tbh like apart from WB who could filp the island with hax they didnt do much after the war (not counting fodders cus they r irrelevant) they lost 2 commanders thier captain died and the rest where getting harrased by an injured akainu while the marines has sengoku,garp,kizaru,akoiji,mihawk, boa, doffy, kuma, all healthy i know shanks stopped the war but there was no way he would win if the fight continued

 

[Superßull]

Had this on my mind for a while : the ancient weapon Uranus can be one of 2 things


a Planetary destroying laser

or

An ancient dragon of destruction


both hidden in one of the moons

 

[Dr.Fix]

^I prefer to think it gives knowledge and leaves overwhelming power to Pluto

 

[CinCameron20]

>Mihawk is fodder.

Bruh. Even if he couldn't take out an Admiral, he was still going toe-to-toe with the commanders quite easily with like 0 effort towards killing them. If he had stepped in with an "Enough of this nonsense" attitude, he'd likely surprise the marine forces and possibly buy time for the pirates to continue their retreat before Akainu + Aokiji (as both were free at the time) attacked him, and Kizaru went on to kill Luffy and the rest.

• The difference is that Shanks had his crew there. Benn temporarily stopped Kizaru, but they all took one last effort to kill Luffy.

Shanks would certainly not have defeated the marines then and there. Think about the situation: the marines suffered quite a bit, losing a large portion of their forces, an Admiral being injured, Sengoku himself being quite roughed up, the Blackbeard Pirates still present to pose a serious threat, the WB commanders still running around--possibly willing to back up the Red-haired pirates.

• Even if the marines won (which they would), they'd suffer heavy casualties, possibly even losing a few of their top guns like an Admiral, Sengoku himself, Garp, Shichibukai falling, and others.
• The Shichibukai could have peaced out and let the marines combat a Yonko + 2 sets of commanders and their followers. The only one who would have stayed is Kuma. Doflamingo, Mihawk, Hancock, and Moriah all seemed like they would have left if matters got worse when their mission was accomplished--2 of them did.
  • They'd be vulnerable with TWO Yonko crews out there, being Big Mom and Kaido's. It would not be a risk worth taking.

The marines fulfilled their goal of killing Ace and got an added bonus of killing WB. They quit while they were ahead.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

To respond to everyone at once. All of you are just using headcannon and are speculating what if scenarios. The facts are

Shanks ended the war. Yes he had his crew but there were how many Yonko and Admirals there? Ok.

Until Mihawk does the same Shanks>Mihawk

 

[Xulrev]

@Celestial

So you're asking for evidence of Mihawk having a crew such that their presence would elicit the same response? Well that's just asinine, absurdly and blatantly shifting goalposts to the unreasonable, and ignoring the facts laid out before you in the hopes we accept your non-point for what it is.

Simply put, Mihawk is The World's Greatest Swordsman. Shanks, is a swordsman. Ergo Mihawk>Shanks, and if he were to wade into Marineford with the same crew under the same circumstances, would elicit the same response if not a greater one.

It's alright to simply admit you were mistaken on a point rather than flail to defend it, realistically. It's not like anyone will give you flak for it.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

@Celestial
So you're asking for evidence of Mihawk having a crew such that their presence would elicit the same response? Well that's just asinine, absurdly and blatantly shifting goalposts to the unreasonable, and ignoring the facts laid out before you in the hopes we accept your non-point for what it is.

Simply put, Mihawk is The World's Greatest Swordsman. Shanks, is a swordsman. Ergo Mihawk>Shanks, and if he were to wade into Marineford with the same crew under the same circumstances, would elicit the same response if not a greater one.

It's alright to simply admit you were mistaken on a point rather than flail to defend it, realistically. It's not like anyone will give you flak for it.

I wasn't though lmao I've never seen Mihawk do anything on the level of what shanks did which is sad to say since he is barely around. I just see people riding his peen tbh. And I highly doubt that Mihawk>Shanks. Sadly all we have to go off is statements and old feats however since that's just how One Piece works. However I see nothing but headcannon rn.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

@Celestial
So you're asking for evidence of Mihawk having a crew such that their presence would elicit the same response? Well that's just asinine, absurdly and blatantly shifting goalposts to the unreasonable, and ignoring the facts laid out before you in the hopes we accept your non-point for what it is.

Simply put, Mihawk is The World's Greatest Swordsman. Shanks, is a swordsman. Ergo Mihawk>Shanks, and if he were to wade into Marineford with the same crew under the same circumstances, would elicit the same response if not a greater one.

It's alright to simply admit you were mistaken on a point rather than flail to defend it, realistically. It's not like anyone will give you flak for it.

Also, Has Mihawk like ever went up against someone other than the pacifist shanks? Like whitebeard, blackbeard, or kaido? Because sparring with Shanks is not even that impressive as he rarely tries to harm anyone.

 

[Ifeano0]

@Celestial
So you're asking for evidence of Mihawk having a crew such that their presence would elicit the same response? Well that's just asinine, absurdly and blatantly shifting goalposts to the unreasonable, and ignoring the facts laid out before you in the hopes we accept your non-point for what it is.

Simply put, Mihawk is The World's Greatest Swordsman. Shanks, is a swordsman. Ergo Mihawk>Shanks, and if he were to wade into Marineford with the same crew under the same circumstances, would elicit the same response if not a greater one.

It's alright to simply admit you were mistaken on a point rather than flail to defend it, realistically. It's not like anyone will give you flak for it.

Also, Has Mihawk like ever went up against someone other than the pacifist shanks? Like whitebeard, blackbeard, or kaido? Because sparring with Shanks is not even that impressive as he rarely tries to harm anyone.

you mean the same spars that WB considers legendary thats not immpresive ?

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Simply put, Mihawk is The World's Greatest Swordsman. Shanks, is a swordsman. Ergo Mihawk>Shanks, and if he were to wade into Marineford with the same crew under the same circumstances, would elicit the same response if not a greater one.

When Shanks made his entrance during the Whitebeard War, Mihawk left the battlefield while stating that he agreed to participate in the war against Whitebeard, but fighting "Red-Hair" is beyond the scope of the World Government's orders

 

[Ifeano0]

Simply put, Mihawk is The World's Greatest Swordsman. Shanks, is a swordsman. Ergo Mihawk>Shanks, and if he were to wade into Marineford with the same crew under the same circumstances, would elicit the same response if not a greater one.
When Shanks made his entrance during the Whitebeard War, Mihawk left the battlefield while stating that he agreed to participate in the war against Whitebeard, but fighting "Red-Hair" is beyond the scope of the World Government's orders

or you know he doesnt want to fight a friend

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Simply put, Mihawk is The World's Greatest Swordsman. Shanks, is a swordsman. Ergo Mihawk>Shanks, and if he were to wade into Marineford with the same crew under the same circumstances, would elicit the same response if not a greater one. When Shanks made his entrance during the Whitebeard War, Mihawk left the battlefield while stating that he agreed to participate in the war against Whitebeard, but fighting "Red-Hair" is beyond the scope of the World Government's orders

or you know he doesnt want to fight a friend

He didn't say "I Dont want to fight my friend"

Even more headcanon from you guys.

 

[1997KD]

Anyone know where did ace Fire Absorption comes from? I didn't found it in his crt

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Anyone know where did ace Fire Absorption comes from? I didn't found it in his crt

I've never seen him absorb fire either.

 

[The_Calaca]

Eh... Mihawk doesn't fight Shanks because he doesn't want to clash with someone without an arm. I blame the OP wikia for not having a reference to the exact source of this information, but IIRC, it was revealed in a SBS.

@1997

It was discussed in a thread that wasn't specific to him and it's pretty old. Maybe Rin remembers the thread since she was the one who suggested the ability.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

That is dishonest. That statement was made at a completely different time.

https://*********.com/Manga/One-Piece/One-Piece---580?id=320003

He clearly thinks it will be too much of a battle so he walks away. It has nothing to do with his one arm.

 

[The_Calaca]

Big words for someone accusing us of using headcanon. Try to not do the same, shall you?

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Big words for someone accusing us of using headcanon. Try to not do the same, shall you?

Do I literally need to ss it for you?

 

[The_Calaca]

To what?

 

[Xulrev]

@Calaca

Mihawk directly states he believes fighting Shanks is not worth his time anymore due to the loss of his arm in Chapter 96, page 16 .

Definitely and totally the behavior of someone who ascribes to this idea:

He clearly thinks it will be too much of a battle so he walks away. It has nothing to do with his one arm.

So, factually we know that Shanks would consider Mihawk someone worth fighting, thinks Mihawk might STILL come looking for a fight in the present day, he would likely engage Mihawk in a fight, and MIHAWK is the one who thinks SHANKS isn't worth his time anymore due to the loss of an arm.

@Celestial, you're just simply wrong my guy and I'm going to reiterate the fact that defending a false point is the only thing that will get you flak, but acquiescing to the facts won't.

 

[The_Calaca]

Thanks Xulrev.

 

[AstralKing7]

I thi k ace's fire manipulation came from the novel but I'm not sure

 

[The_Calaca]

From Law's profile:

Amputate (ÒéóÒâ│ÒâöÒâÑÒâåÒâ╝Òâê, Anpyutēto): Law typically uses his Devil Fruit powers together with his swordsmanship, making his sword a "scalpel" of sorts while his powers are active. This makes his Room slashes akin to spatial slicing, as they ignore the defenses of an opponent and appear to take effect instantaneously in the direction of his cut within the Room. On the flip-side, while able to dismember people, his Room slashes doesn't cause any actual harm, though when used on an inanimate object, it can cause damage like a normal cut. Nothing has been shown the ability to stop this outside of highly developed haki or sea-stone.

What's the source of this? I've revised and it was added right from the creation of the profile.

 

[CinCameron20]

>Mihawk thinks it would be too much of a battle.

Enough trolling, alright? He literally tells Shanks he's uninterested "in a one-armed has-been". Shanks humored the idea that Mihawk came to challenge him--which wasn't even the case--and Mihawk iterates that there'd be no purpose in fighting a man who has a mere one arm.

@Calaca - probably remove that section then. I never noticed it.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Chapter 96 definitely applies to Chapter 500+ you are so right.

Until Mihawk actually defeats a Yonko he is fodder.

 

[RedHairShanks56]

Are you trolling

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Are you trolling

Dead serious. Mihawk chased a Pre-Teen around during the war while Shanks actually ended it.

 

[RedHairShanks56]

But that doesnt mean he's fodder

 

[RedHairShanks56]

Fodder is someone like Alvida

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Fodder is someone like Alvida

I not actually saying Mihawk is a wimp compared to him I was just saying Shanks is stronger than Mihawk.

 

[Ryuga21]

Jozu stopping Mihawk's attack was a inconsistency?

 

[Xulrev]

Chapter 96 definitely applies to Chapter 500+ you are so right.

Until Mihawk actually defeats a Yonko he is fodder.

Thats usually how precedent and causality works, yeah. X--->Y thus X is applicable unless Y negates the previous information. You really need to stop trolling and ignoring facts to fit an objectively wrong assertion, its starting to get uncomfortable to witness.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Chapter 96 definitely applies to Chapter 500+ you are so right.

Until Mihawk actually defeats a Yonko he is fodder.

Thats usually how precedent and causality works, yeah. X--->Y thus X is applicable unless Y negates the previous information. You really need to stop trolling and ignoring facts to fit an objectively wrong assertion, its starting to get uncomfortable to witness.

You do know this is a general discussio thread right? You seem to be getting upset and or aggressive about this topic lmao again it is just a general discussion thread.

And I did state facts, Mihawk, did infact, chase a pre-teen most of the war that shanks ended.