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One Piece Discussion Thread Nine Return To Water Seven

Burning Full Fingers said:
Wat? Seriously....
Btw, who's he up against? I haven't read the previous chapter yet.
Zoro is facing against a wanted criminal called Kamazou the Manslayer, who wield a pair of scythes, and who is said to kill people indiscrimately but Hiyori (the younger sister of Momosuke) stated that this is a lie that he is actually one of Orochi's trained assassin.
 
Saw this on reddit and has to post it by kid_0909:

I think people should understand the difference between pure punch fight and pure sword fight.

(1) In a pure punch fight (or other unarmed martial arts), the most important key is the endurance (both physically and spiritually). The 2 fighters must keep punching and tanking punches until one loses his the will power or consumes all his energy. Therefore, the fighters even including the winners are always heavily injured in the end.

(2) In a pure sword fight (or other bladed weapons), it is a fight about who is the first one to give a critical attack successfully. Every attack of a great swordsman should be fatal or at least make you unconscious. If it is a fair duel, a single exchange of a strong attack is able to end the fight. The one will win if he is able to slice the the vital and vulnerable part of his enemy before the enemy cut him. As a result, the loser will be cut and usually fainted as well while the winner will always be uninjured or merely injured no matter whether the power level gap between them is large or small. This is why pure sword fights in the series always ended so fast with winner being uninjured, such as Zoro vs Mihawk, Zoro vs T-bone, and Zoro vs Ryuma.

The ultimate goal of a pure sword fight is that the enemy will die at the moment you pulled the sword from the sheath, while the ultimate goal of a pure punch fight is to tank as much punches as you can until your enemy gives up. This is why Luffy, Sanji and Franky gets hurt frequently during their fights while Zoro and Brook are always uninjured. As a result, swordsman will always seem to be more badass. These two typical types of fights have complete different properties, but people always compare them with same standard, thus trashing Luffy and Sanji.

Oda is a super fanboy about old classic samurai movies so he must understand sword fights very well. Therefore, he don't like to give great swordsman any unrealistic superpower effects but just pure sword skills. Since it is a shonen manga, he would like to make the fight more dramatic before the swordsmen actually become serious and use strong attack. However, the property of sword fights will never be changed.

Zoro got hit last chapter because his enemies are both good at timing to find the flaws. So reader should better do not underestimate them. However, Zoro was still conscious after getting hit because this attack is not strong and accurate enough to hit his vulnerable part. This shows that Zoro is still pretty stronger than them. People complaining with this scene did not understand this situation. If you are really a Zoro fan boy, you should better learn more about what is a real sword fight about. This fight is pretty good but not downgrading his strength.
 
That whole speech just sounds pretty condescending. Some people do anything to justify bad writing.
 
The problem is how inconsistent the scene is with the rest of Zoro's fights. Cabaji kicked Zoro in the wound and then he opened the wound even more. Daz Bonez slashed him many times and tanked all that.

So him fainting after one non-lethal stab is one hell of a PIS.
 
Let's not forget the infamous Thriller Bark scene with Kuma as well. One of the biggest showing of Zoro's endurance. He proven himself to have more blood than a freaking blood bank there.
 
This kinda reminds me of the time Zoro was in danger of dying from a fall in Thriller Bark.
 
Half the Big Mom pirates were going to die from a fall.

Kaido is the only one in the verse with good falling feats, lol.
 
The fall gave Kaido a small headache while bloodlusted Gear Fourth Luffy blows do nothing ƒñö
 
Well Luffy didn't give that old Kaido a whopping King Kong Gun or King Cobra, I'm sure it would have faze Kaido a little....maybe not but it would be cool to see.
 
As far as the recent chapter is concerned, I'm more disappointed that Oda didn't give Robin at least one damn line than I am about Zoro fainting from his injury. It'll be interesting to see how the other Straw Hats will react to him getting injured before the final battle, which is what they were supposed to avoid. Also, poor Sanji's face lol. Finally, this whole reveal/confirmation that Komurasaki is Hiyori is definitely suspicious, especially with the map spoiler.
 
Videos like that are the reason why Mr. Morj is the only person I follow on youtube when it comes to analyses and reviews about One Piece.
 
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