Nigh-unlimited Stamina for Sosuke Aizen Revision

[AppleLord]

Aizen possess infinite spiritual energy for been immortal a similar case to Edo tensei granting nigh-unlimited stamina to Madara for having infinite chakra.

 

[AstralKing7]

Gotta agree with this

 

[PaChi2]

High 3-A spiritual pressure. Go.

Joke

This looks fine.

 

[USklaverei]

I agree

 

[Damage3245]

Just because a character is immortal doesn't necessarily mean they have infinite stamina.

Saying that his 'energy springs eternally because his heart is beating' would mean that everyone has nigh-infinite stamina so longer as they're alive.

 

[AstralKing7]

U know I see the point now^ I have to disagree now

 

[Xulrev]

There's a semantics difference in regards to Aizen, however, to explain why it's significantly different from 'well anyone living has stamina'.

Aizen has an unlimited wellspring of reiatsu that will perpetually put forth energy; it is impossible to reduce his energy to "0" per Mayuri Kurostuchi's own words.

If it is impossible to reduce my energy to "0", it is pretty obvious that I can infinitely have access to energy. Thus I would reasonably have infinite stamina since energy=stamina in Bleach.

It's also applying a similar standard to Aizen as to Madara, so to disagree with this one would think you'd have to also get that removed from Madara's profile first or else it'd be a double-standard, per AppleLord's OP.

 

[Damage3245]

An athlete running a lengthy race ends up exhausted (and therefore does not have nigh-infinite stamina) but their energy isn't 'reduced to zero' either.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Just because a character is immortal doesn't necessarily mean they have infinite stamina.
Saying that his 'energy springs eternally because his heart is beating' would mean that everyone has nigh-infinite stamina so longer as they're alive.

This.

We humans will get blood in our bodies as long as our hearts beat. Doesnt mean we have infinite blood all of a sudden. Bleach's case is really no different.

 

[AstralKing7]

Before Naruto gets brought up again with double standards; the reason all Edie have nigh unlimited stamina is because chakra can't be created without stamina literally from the early chapters of Naruto. It's dtated that edos can't tire. They are stated to even have unlimited chakra literally which is stamina

 

[HST_Master]

This.

We humans will get blood in our bodies as long as our hearts beat. Doesnt mean we have infinite blood all of a sudden. Bleach's case is really no different.

That's a false equivalency. If you drain a person of too much Blood at once, they'll die. Drain Aizen of as much Spirit Energy as you'd like and he'd still be alive.

 

[Sekkonds.]

aizen does have infinite reiatsu..but what does it have to do with stamina

 

[AstralKing7]

I also see another difference. U can stop a edos heart from beating and they will still have energy. In the case of bleach it seems that Mayuri is suggesting that as long as they have a heart the energy will continue to flow. Depending on the type of immortality; I suggest that we should look at who can't fight with out a heart

This doesn't technically apply to Aizen because we have seen his heart destroyed and his whole body. Aizen was looking tired as shit after that.

Does spiritual energy equal stamina in the first place cause Aizen is a weird case

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

That's a false equivalency. If you drain a person of too much Blood at once, they'll die. Drain Aizen of as much Spirit Energy as you'd like and he'd still be alive.

His energy is there because his heart is beating. What says his heart wouldnt stop beating if he's drained of too much energy like a person's blood is drained?

 

[Sekkonds.]

His energy is there because his heart is beating

lol

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

They're not talking about a literal heart lol.

 

[HST_Master]

His energy is there because his heart is beating. What says his heart wouldnt stop beating if he's drained of too much energy like a person's blood is drained?

Mayuri specifically says that he and the other Muken Prisoners cannot in any way have their Heart Stopped, no matter what they tried. It's why they decided to restrain his Spirit Pressure around him with Chair-Sama instead of continuously trying to stop his Spirit Energy to no avail.

 

[Xulrev]

That's a false equivalency. If you drain a person of too much Blood at once, they'll die. Drain Aizen of as much Spirit Energy as you'd like and he'd still be alive.

His energy is there because his heart is beating. What says his heart wouldnt stop beating if he's drained of too much energy like a person's blood is drained?

The fact that we are told it's impossible to stop his heart beating, and Soul Society has methods to drain energy explicitly so (Azashiro Kenpachi being drained of power to be placed into Mugen, Kenpachi's eyepatch which absords energy, etc). So this hypothetical is too fantastical to be meritorious.

 

[AppleLord]

Everyone remembers how Ichigo can run for a week on a machine that drains spiritual energy, right? He said that because he had a lot he wouldn't get tire which was the Vizard training. Spiritual energy = stamina.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

"Impossible to stop heart beating" sounds like an in-verse NLF to me. If thats even a thing.

 

[AppleLord]

Just like a soul having organs. Every time Ichigo spam Getsuja Tensho which is his spiritual energy put into the blade he gets tired. He also had a limit to how many he could fired before mastering the hollow mask.

 

[AppleLord]

Here is the chapter where they train Ichigo by having a machine drain his energy to see if he collapses or not.

 

[Xulrev]

"Impossible to stop heart beating" sounds like an in-verse NLF to me. If thats even a thing.

It's a statement from one of the most studious scientific characters in-verse, whom Shunsui Kyoraku states can discern just about everything there is to know about a topic if given enough data and a mere 24 hours.

He has had access to Aizen for years, at this point, and comes to the conclusion that it is simply not possible for anything to stop his heart beating permanently. It's not NLF at that point, one should reasonably think.

 

[AppleLord]

"Impossible to stop heart beating" sounds like an in-verse NLF to me. If thats even a thing.

It's a statement from one of the most studious scientific characters in-verse, whom Shunsui Kyoraku states can discern just about everything there is to know about a topic if given enough data and a mere 24 hours.
He has had access to Aizen for years, at this point, and comes to the conclusion that it is simply not possible for anything to stop his heart beating permanently. It's not NLF at that point, one should reasonably think.

People sometimes don't think rationally when the body of the subject in hand is missing. Some would just prefer to appear uninvited to a strangers party and voice their opinion because they just don't like the guy.

 

[Sekkonds.]

His energy is there because his heart is beating

~ aizen was cut into half ,completely body destroyed got a hole in the chest ,yeah that was aize

he is immortal..yeah

but he doesn't lose his reiatsu.he only gets stronger

even if he is sealed

 

[PaChi2]

You know, now I disagree.

Urahara managed to seal Aizen because Ichigo pushed him to the limit. Which means he is clearly far from "nigh unlimited".

 

[AppleLord]

You know, now I disagree.
Urahara managed to seal Aizen because Ichigo pushed him to the limit. Which means he is clearly far from "nigh unlimited".

Can you post any evidence that say "God Aizen" (key) was immortal? Muken Aizen is the one that's immortal. The other one had soul Regenerationn.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Actually he was sealed because he was in the middle of evolving once again which is a moment of weakness that activated the kido.

 

[Paul_Frank]

They said he gained immortality after his fusion with the hogyoku

Why would he only gain immortality once the hogyoku rejected him

 

[PaChi2]

What's the difference between God Aizen and Muken Aizen that makes the second immortal?

 

[AppleLord]

What's the difference between God Aizen and Muken Aizen that makes the second immortal?

Besides Muken Aizen having better feats than God Aizen? Muken Aizen is a Shinigami not like "God Aizen" which is a Re-o, Hollow and Quincy hybrid. Manga stated that Shinigami Aizen was immortal, not Rei-o hybrid Aizen.

 

[AppleLord]

Also, God Aizen doesn't have Regenerationn according to Aizen. He told Ichigo it was the Hogyoku protecting him, so the Hogyoku didn't rejected him or how did he not die and cameback? Ichigo who had felt the feelings of others through their blades said that Aizen's true desire was to go back to been a Shinigami but somehow people now don't belive Ichigo to be correct when he has previously shown to read people's emotions through clashing swords.

 

[Damage3245]

Immortality via Regenerationn is still immortality.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

spirit energy is tied to stamina based off the ichigo scan, Aizen is stated to have an infinite refill of spirit energy pretty much. let's not overcomplicate this. Hell the reason they eat and shit is because they need to refill on energy.

 

[AppleLord]

Immortality via Regenerationn is still immortality.

Is not Regenerationn. Not Aizen's at least. It comes from an item.

Is the Hogyoku using some sort of Regenerationn to protect Aizen.

Meaning, Ichigo who can feel others emotions was right.

Hogyoku never rejected him just turned him back into a normal Shinigami and that's why he was sealed. Whatever happened off-screen and how he obtained immortality was propably so Aizen wasn't executed. Mayuri said they couldn't kill him with anything. Muken Aizen's key is different from God Aizen. Including his arsenal of abilities.

 

[AppleLord]

spirit energy is tied to stamina based off the ichigo scan, Aizen is stated to have an infinite refill of spirit energy pretty much. let's not overcomplicate this. Hell the reason they eat and shit is because they need to refill on energy.

I don't approve of that language but you're correct. lol

 

[Damage3245]

It's not the Hollow-type of Super High-Speed Regenerationn, but it is a type of Regenerationn granted from the Hogyoku.

 

[AppleLord]

It's not the Hollow-type of Super High-Speed Regenerationn, but it is a type of Regenerationn granted from the Hogyoku.

Exactly. The Hogyoku never rejected Aizen otherwise he wouldn't had comeback from Mugetsu or lived after Seireitei and Yhwach tried to kill him. Ichigo was correct. Aizen became a normal Shinigami losing his "Godly form" and powers.

Remember, how Aizen was tired after fighting Isshin? Aizen used KS earlier which according to light novels consumes a lot of spiritual energy to use and that's why Tokinada lost because KS turned off. Aizen was also using Kido on Isshin which costs spiritual energy.

Whatever happened afterwards is unknown to us. Referring to how Muken Aizen became immortal to all executioners in SS. cough Hogyoku cough

 

[PaChi2]

Besides Muken Aizen having better feats than God Aizen? Muken Aizen is a Shinigami not like "God Aizen" which is a Re-o, Hollow and Quincy hybrid. Manga stated that Shinigami Aizen was immortal, not Rei-o hybrid Aizen.

Muken Aizen is Aizen after he got beaten to death by Ichigo and sealed.

Its fundamentally (at least at the beginning) a depowered version of Monster Aizen.

 

[Paul_Frank]

They said he gained immortality do to his fusion with the hogyoku

Why would he only gain immortality once the hogyoku "rejected" him