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[AidenBrooks999]

AP comes from the energy in 1 second

 

[Antoniofer]

Mmm, I do not recall any calc that involve time (unless overtime) with freezing/heating. At least, the ones made by me (that use the ones made by KK as references) do not use time, only differential of temperature.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So the time doesn't matter? Great.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

@Ricsi, CAPE or condensation do not takes time into the equation, and now we only use KE for preformed storms; creating them do not qualify for the last one. And for the freezing/heating calcs, I think we do not use times in those neither.

Using 10 km as diameter

I got 7-A for condesation, Low 7-B+ for KE, 7-C+ for CAPE


And Weekly said to include the temperature change, but I don't know how to do that exactly (Also, the change was, since Steven barely shivered while wearing a T-shirt there)

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, 7-A would be consistent with that Corrupted Gem that made a blizzard in the comics.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Mmm, I do not recall any calc that involve time (unless overtime) with freezing/heating. At least, the ones made by me (that use the ones made by KK as references) do not use time, only differential of temperature.

Most often because they are done in one attack, I imagine.

Decreasing heat over time in this fascion does use time, because it otherwise implies she can do so instatntly.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Well, 7-A would be consistent with that Corrupted Gem that made a blizzard in the comics.

7-A Ruby/Sapphire

7-A+ Gems (I saw the scan, they beat it in less than a page [While Steven changed cloths] with ease)

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Looks good to me.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

I'll upload the calc, so it can be revised

Now... What about Fusions?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Opal scaling to the 4 Light Cannons isn't non-sensical

After all, Opal tried to attack the Warship, and while it was useless, the fact the she believed she was capable of anything (she was shocked after failing) after seeing the cannons being useless, implies she is superior

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Apparently, the explosion was made by the Red Eye itself, not by the cannons, so we can't use the calc we have for the cannons anymore... I think.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

The calc is about the KE of the Red Eye, and the Cannon stopped the Red Eye flat in the air... And pretty it exploded cuase the light cannon

https://youtu.be/s_gWADhn3ZA (Around 3:50)

 

[Antoniofer]

Its the KE, but not of the moving Red Eye if not of the explosion of the this one. I still without support that type of calcs, but the other thing is GBE; although if still want to go for the first method, then fine.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

To be fair the calc should be redone, we get a more clear image of a red eye later on in the series that we could more reliably scale to stuff around it, I forgot what episdode it was, though.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

So it was the KE of the fragments?


Well... That still scales to the cannon, right?

 

[Antoniofer]

The calc was remade by Xcano, posted by Darkanine and accepted by Kep, but it was never applied, it yield around 2 Gigatons.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, High 7-A Fusions? Sounds consistent enough.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Where does that leave fusions like Obsidian and Alexandrite though? Cause Obsidian would scale to the Diamond Mech, which is more powerful than the Diamonds.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, their AP comes from Lapis' feat and the Diamonds' ships scale from a partially formed Cluster.

 

[Tsubasa16]

Diamond Mech, which is more powerful than the Diamonds.

Nothing says their ships are more powerful then they are, they're just bigger, the Diamonds already tanked "attacks" that destroyed/damage said ships without any scratch.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Diamond Mech, which is more powerful than the Diamonds.

Nothing says their ships are more powerful then they are, they're just bigger, the Diamonds are tanked "attacks" that destroyed/damage said ships.

Generally I think its taken that Larger Size=Higher AP but ok.

 

[Tsubasa16]

Well, that's really not how it works in that case. The ships, if anything, only have more melee range for obvious reasons, but they aren't more powerful nor more durable than the Diamonds themselves.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

One of the ships being slammed into pieces on a Diamond didn't do anything but just tick her off.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So the Diamonds actually have a reason to scale to the ships that isn't "damaged a small piece of it"? Finally.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

yhe

Liking how the scaling/tiering is developing here.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Alexandrite scales from Malachiye who is stronger than Lapis (apparently) and Diamonds scale from them (Cause Diamonds >>>>>>>> Gems)

The Mecha-Warsjip-Whatever scale from the High 6-A cluster

 

[AidenBrooks999]

So, High 7-A Fusions? Sounds consistent enough.

Indeed

 

[CinnabarManx421]

uhh Im gonna have to get back to you guys in a little bit i think someone's trying to break into our school

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, Lapis' feat is Petatons, while the Cluster is Exatons, which is a pretty big gap, so deciding if the Diamonds scale from Malachite or from the ships is important.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

The calc was remade by Xcano, posted by Darkanine and accepted by Kep, but it was never applied, it yield around 2 Gigatons.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/Steven_Universe:_Red_Eye_Revisited

4 GT*

Although you made a comment about it being 52 GT...

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I feel like Lapis' tower feat/storm feat is just Environmental Destruction; we should instead look at the most water she used in a single offensive attack.

Like we never see her use that much water to attack an individual; it wouldn't scale to anyone.

 

[Antoniofer]

Apparently I did, I was trying with GBE. Since I'm lost track of the calc long ago, I would need to recalculate it again. Take into account that those cacls are valid as long the Red Eye is as heavy as we expect, having artificial gravity makes those methods useless.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, Lapis' regular attacks seem to be comparable to the Gems, so, 7-A+ with High 6-A Environmental Destruction, or something like that?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Sounds about right.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Also, instead of Unknown, shouldn't Aquamarine scale from Steven since she knocked him out?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

IDK if Aquamarine should scale to Alexandrite, her wand might ignore durability via something like Paralysis Inducement, heck, Topaz could restrain her with one hand.

Scaling to Steven sounds about right, though.

 

[Antoniofer]

Neh, we already fixed the issue of Aquamarine scaling to Alex, and I guess it can be scaled to Steven, although she will remain unknown in ST and Durability.

And yes, I agree with Lapis having Enviromental Destruction.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

@Anto so you will make a recalc of said feat?

 

[Antoniofer]

Is kinda annoying creating calcs in this laptop (way slow), but if we stay with the Dark's calc I just need the values of mass and diameter of the Red Eye and make a quick calculation.