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[AidenBrooks999]

Well, Lapis' regular attacks seem to be comparable to the Gems, so, 7-A+ with High 6-A Environmental Destruction, or something like that?

Well, she made 4 equal clones to them

So yeah, sounds about right

 

[Wokistan]

Well if she can exert a High 6-A amount of energy with her water stuff I don't see what stops her from applying that amount of energy on a smaller amount of water by just accelerating it way faster. An issue would arise if there's no other offensive feats on that level though.

 

[VoidGoji]

She doesn't have any other offensive feat of that level besides making Blue Diamond fall to the ground via using water to throw a barn. And this is questionable.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yeah, she never uses that much water for an attack at any other point in the series; the closest we get is holding Malachite under the weight of the ocean, but we don't see any major disturbances of water like we do in the pillar feat and that could just be interpreted as her holding back the fusion at the bottom of the sea.

Question: Wouldn't Pearl and Amethyst be more comparable to Ruby and Sapphire as opposed to Garnet? They never struck me as being on the same level of Garnet/Jasper and some of the weaker fusions like Smokey.

Like Amethyst going all out just staggered Jasper, and the Ruby/Sapphire ratings aren't crazy behind Garnet assuming this goes through.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Amethyst was, at best, able to lightly shove Jasper. No way she and Pearl should scale to Garnet who fought evenly with her.

 

[VoidGoji]

Pearl is just more skilled and Amy have an advantage in mobility, but Garnet is way stronger than them.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

So, assuming this thread doesn't go down the gutter

Weaker Corrupt Gems/Ruby/Sapphire/Amethyst/Pearl/Peridot with tech/Lapis without water - 7-A

Stronger Corrupt Gems/Garnet/Jasper/Bismuth/Lapis with water/Topaz/Stevonnie/Smokey - 7-A+

And we're still looking over the feats for stronger fusions and the diamonds.

 

[Keeweed]

Dang I got ninja'd hard

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Dont forget the tier 6 ship feat

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Are you talking about the one that hit the Ruby? I thought that was recalced pretty low into Tier 7.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The comic feat

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I'd rather have that off the table for now considering how much we disagree over it's validity.

If there are supporting feats I'm okay with it being used for some of the stronger fusions, though.

Also I think Yellow Diamond could use Mass-Energy depending on how her power works; if she's reducing the bodies to energy I feel like that's applicable.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Except theres no reason why fusions would scale to it when Garnet is the only one who would. I can agree that Amethyst and Pearl dont but Garnet and Jasper undoubtedly do

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Then it just falls flat for all the reasons I previously gave as well as the lack of support.

 

[Gojira1234]

Okay so just from some quick scrolling, is SU getting a downgrade or

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Explain what doesnt support it. Lower feats =/= nothing supports it.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Weekly

I'm less concerned with the feat having support than I am the feat being valid in the first place, but if the feat is supported I'd ask for more feats within that range.

Lower feats can in fact draw away support from a higher feat; if a lower tier is more consistent than a few higher tiered feats they could be considered outliers.

But yeah, I don't think it's a valid feat to begin with.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, does everybody agree with 7-A Gems and High 7-A fusions?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I dont agree with them being any lower than High 6-C

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Lower feats dont in any way shape or form discredit higher feats. Name one verse on this wiki that is of a high tier that has more than two consistent feats that are on that tier and NO feats lower than it

 

[Wokistan]

Oryx, the Taken King doesn't really have anything below tier 5 that's not hax


The Emperor of Mankind doesn't have anything Ican remember indicating some sort if limitation below tier 5, excluding how he's near dead rn

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Wok Yo'ure telling me that every single action that the emperor and Oryx take deals their AP value? How in the hell does the Emperor step foot on a planet if thats the case?

 

[Wokistan]

If the lower feats are done with effort, then someone comes in with some sort of casual high feat, it's inconsistent with their portrayal.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Wok Great, im glad you agree, because none of the Gems' lower feats are done with significant effort

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with 7-A Gems for now

 

[Wokistan]

Well he can't exactly move

Firstly, a feat and an action are not the same thing. Not every act of theirs is aggressive, just because you're strong doesn't mean you aren't allowed to walk or not try.

However with Oryx you could make the case that from what is shown, all his attacks have that sort of potential. He blows a hole in Saturn's ring in a cutscene and the books of sorrow describe when his sister blew up a moon and he found it funny, him surviving exploding worlds, and him killing someone who cut open one of his personal moons and killed everything inside. You fight him on his ship that has tier 4 durability, and in his own universe.


There's also Zen'ō.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Wok Cool, you already said you agree with me and thats all i needed to hear

 

[Wokistan]

@Wok Cool, you already said you agree with me and thats all i needed to hear

This is false, I have made no such statement. What you are doing is taking me saying something that doesn't directly contradict your viewpoint for once and spinning it into "Oh clearly you agree with me that tier 6 is legit" as if I didn't spend way too muich time arguing against ME and other stuff yesterday. Idk about tier 6 in general but I am definitely not in solid agreement.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Wok The Gems do not have any feats below tier 6 that they needed to put any significant effort into

 

[Gojira1234]

(I know I asked yesterday but) what're all the calced feats' tiers again?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There are multiple casual 7-A feats, a casual High 7-A feat, and this tier 6 feat

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also Steven's shield was calced at tier 6 and almost everyone scales to it

 

[Grimm's_Fortitude]

Will Rainbow-2.0 and Sunstone be getting their own pages?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Wok The Gems do not have any feats below tier 6 that they needed to put any significant effort into

The Gems hardly have any Tier 6 feats to scale into barring fusions and the most powerful gems.

I even said before that the 'laser' feat you provided isn't even valid to begin with for a large number of reasons I laid out on the blog.

I'm not trying to downplay solid existing feats by pointing out lesser feats. I'm pointing out how many of the Tier 6 feats you have provided me that you considered valid and consistent have come out at Tier 7 or have been disregarded all together.

 

[Tsubasa16]

Will Rainbow-2.0 and Sunstone be getting their own pages?

Rainbow 2.0 shouldn't really since it's just a weaker version of Rainbow Quartz, if anything it would just be a different key on Rainbow's page.

Sunstone and Obsidian probably have to.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo That does not mean that their lower feats should take precedence just because theyre more consistent when theyre consistently low effort feats

 

[Gojira1234]

If anything Rainbow 2.0 should overtake Rainbow Quartz's page because he's had more demonstration of his abilities

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Rainbow 2.0 would get a new profile

 

[Tsubasa16]

Oh yeah, should it be added on Rose/PD page that in her Rose Quartz form she was greatly restricting her power? (as confirmed by White).

 

[Gojira1234]

Also, Garnet did shake a mountain just by fighting a Gem monster, before very casually hitting it and bringing the whole thing down. So wouldn't that make her at the very baseline 7-A? Which would open room to higher feats.