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Newer SU continuation revision

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WeeklyBattles said:
@Dargoo That does not mean that their lower feats should take precedence just because theyre more consistent when theyre consistently low effort feats
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The lower feats should absolutely take precedence when the only higher feat you have that scales isn't even a valid feat to begin with.
 
Much as I'm salty about the possible downgrade, it does at least open up the possibility of more matchups since Tier 7 has a lot more people than Tier 6 :p
 
To lay out the situation:

  • We have a multitude of consistent 7-A/7-A+ feats to use for the base gems, and plenty of casual lower Tier 7 feats to support it.
  • Nearly all of the previous Tier 6 feats that held the profiles where they were at have been discredited or outright debunked. The only feats seemingly still on the table are feats that we don't even see and have no timeframe for.
  • Mass-energy has been discounted by several staff members, several calc members, and a sizeable number of regular users.
  • Large number of members here agree that Lapis' water tower feat is envrionmental destruction, which makes the basis for the ranking of a lot of the higher ranked characters fall apart.
Conclusion: Tier 7 is the consistent basis for Steven Universe when it comes to the base Crystal Gems. Since fusion exponentially increases power, we should be open to High 7-A or even tier 6 fusions and diamonds if valid feats come up.
 
I would think Alexandrite, Malachite, the Diamonds, and Obsidian are well into Tier 6 with this downgrade anyhow. I'm not against it, especially since I'm no calc expert.
 
I agree, although with Lapis' water tower feat not really scaling to anything we'd have to find new feats. From what I remember though finding Tier 6 feats for the fusions should be really easy.
 
Obsidian sliced through the Diamond warships like butter, which I think is a p casual Tier 6 feat right? Cuz didn't YD's warship yield a Tier 6 feat when it shook the earth?
 
Dargoo Faust said:
The lower feats should absolutely take precedence when the only higher feat you have that scales isn't even a valid feat to begin with.
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Completely and utterly false in every sense of the word. The feats are consistently immensely casual vs a tier 6 feat which required effort. This is a basis for them being tier 6
 
A number of the Tier 7 feats come from serious fights the Gems were in, so I don't know why you're generalizing them as all "immensely casual".
 
The mountain feat is one of th emost casual feats int he series my guy

Cool, show me where it took effort to do that

Yes, the explosion of the core is the one thing that left her injured byt she was still ready and willing to keep fighting
 
WeeklyBattles said:
The mountain feat is one of th emost casual feats int he series my guy
Cool, show me where it took effort to do that

Yes, the explosion of the core is the one thing that left her injured byt she was still ready and willing to keep fighting
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Doesn't look like that to me. If the feat was so casual the fight could have been ended rather swiftly and nobody around would consider the thing collapsing dangerous.

The fact that it took all three of the gems attacking it full force?

"Ready to keep fighting"
 
WeeklyBattles said:
warship core exploding is High 6-C
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The explosion itself isn't and the only logic you have behind it being High 6-C is off of a feat that doesn't even happen and has no timeframe.
 
The High 6-C feat doesnt need a timeframe as its not a feat that is based on happening over time

Doesnt matter if it didnt happen when it had the capacity to happen and was going to happen
 
We don't know how much time it took nor if it even happened (The cloud feat). As I've said before, the laser, which you base the High 6-C rating on, has nothing relating it to the warp besides coming from the same machine, and it had to somehow set coordinates on a location the warp was already on.

While it is true that the warp could fire a laser, and was going to fire a laser, we don't see it fire and can't judge its effects beyond what we see and what is stated. There was no statement or implication the warp would switch into a laser (especially considering, again, the laser had to seperately set coordinates and seperately activate). The most we know that the laser would have covered is Beact City.

The calc you did is also misleading; much of it suggests the beam that is the warp is actually the laser when it is just a warp.

So again, the feat you calc'ed isn't valid.
 
What is stated is what the calc is based on and it came out to High 6-C

And again, it was DIRECTLY stated in the comic that the same beam that caused the gravity double functioned as a laser
 
There isn't anything stated other than that a laser would activate.

The scan you linked on the blog that you claim proves that has no such quote in it.

I'll actually type out a transcript of the page to make it abundantly clear:

Computer: Danger - kccchch - hc - Dan - chh --- ger - kkccchkch
Garnet: The wave is passing!
Amethyst: Turn it off!
Pearl: I'm trying!
Computer: Charging phaser... coordinates set for Earth.
If the warp double functions as a laser, and it's already active on Earth and causing effects, why does the laser need to target the Earth? This implies it is a seperate weapon unrelated to the warp.

I also see nothing indicating it double functions as a laser here.
 
Also, another quote to disprove a relation to the size of the warp, as needed:

Steven: It's charging a giant laser aimed straight at town!
Beach City isn't nearly as massive as the warp you pixelscaled, and it's explicitly aimed at the city. Again, sounds like it's seperate, it needs to seperately aim at something the warp is already pointed to.
 
Wait, I forget, Darkanine did a calc here which calced Lapis's storm creation feat at a Low-End of 50 Megatons and a High-End of 45 Gigatons, was that ever accepted or rejected?
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
Wait, I forget, Darkanine did a calc here which calced Lapis's storm creation feat at a Low-End of 50 Megatons and a High-End of 45 Gigatons, was that ever accepted or rejected?
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Both Dark and Xcano agreed that the feat was too vague to use and in the end only the second calc out of that was accepted.
 
Tsubasa16 said:
Oh yeah, should it be added on Rose/PD page that in her Rose Quartz form she was greatly restricting her power? (as confirmed by White).
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Bringing this up again since i suppose it's relevant to be stated in the Profile.
 
So would Pink Diamond's Rose Quartz form be changed to High 6-C? She is pretty much shown as being much superior to any of the fusions that don't include herself.
 
Tsubasa16 said:
So would Pink Diamond's Rose Quartz form be changed to High 6-C? She is pretty much shown as being much superior to any of the fusions that don't include herself.
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She would scale to the other diamonds...


So, about the Diamonds scaling?
 
Kepekley23 said:
If this is referring to a horizon-wide storm then 20km is the radius, not the diameter. Afterall you're only viewing one side of the storm from its assumed center.
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I used it as diameter, so I should change that hehe
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
She would scale to the other diamonds...
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I mean specifically her Rose Quartz form, it was confirmed by White Diamond that Pink in her Rose Quartz form was greatly restricting her power.

And yet, even in that form, she is much superior to any of the fusions that didn't include herself.
 
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