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WANG LING HAX UPGRADATION CONTINUATION [short asf]

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I told you guys it would be best to remove the part about him dreaming the universe up, you are just confusing people and it's irrelevant to HDE. Just focus on the part of him embodying it.
 
SR001 said:
Fr they didn't understand my whole premises allalong
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Exactly, bringing up humans living in a universe is pointless because we don't impact the spacetime in any way even with our dreams. Wang ling literally created a whole nother reality parallel to the existing one by dreaming it. The embodiment of the universe should be enough too as ur literally taking on the properties of a spacetime contiuum
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
dreaming the universe up
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It's not irrelevant. It's apart of the premise.
Nobody has explained why dreaming a 4 dimensional construct into reality wouldn't be proof as higher dimensionality.

Potential mediums for viewing a cosmology as fiction include: written media (Books or stories), images (Paintings, comics, or movies), data (Simulations or video games), or mental constructs (thoughts or dreams). All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority. Note that the medium is usually a representation or container for the fiction on a higher plane and not necessarily the fiction in itself.
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R>F would literally be the Qualitive Superiority to being Just higher dimensional and this page agrees
 
I don't understand why nobody is contending the main premise. Everything that was contended is beyond our premise or just something that simply doesn't coordinate

Our points are not for R>F, it's for HDE

Another point that was previously brought up was explaining the Qualitive Superiority to 3D when our points have nothing to do with the 3rd dimension
 
Because we don't equate dimensionality, and tiering anymore. Being Low 1-C no longer means being 5D, it means being able to effect something equal in size to a 5th Dimensional Real Coordinate Space.
 
Simply viewing 3-dimensional objects, entities, or constructs as fiction does not qualify them as Higher-Dimensional, as they are still portrayed as regular 3-dimensional beings.

Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of movement and measurement, through which beings and objects can displace themselves throughout a given physical system.

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Higher-Dimensional Existence

A given object or entity is referred to as being higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions. Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of...
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Put simply, even if a being is stated to view an entire universe as a dream, and exist on a higher plane of existence. That higher plane is not higher dimensional, it's Low 1-C, but not 5D, Dimensionality is no longer a guarantee or a given when tiering.

Only if they are specifically stated to be of a certain spatial dimensionality, are they given HDE.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Because we don't equate dimensionality, and tiering anymore. Being Low 1-C no longer means being 5D, it means being equal in size to a 5th Dimensional Real Coordinate Space.
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Fine, Wang ling embodying his universe would be enough proof for him being equal in size to the 4 dimensional spacetime he has inside him, he's already listed as tier 2 unsealed. I don't understand why he isn't qualifed for HDE if his existence is comparable to the constructs he affects.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Fine, Wang ling embodying his universe would be enough proof for him being equal in size to the 4 dimensional spacetime he has inside him, he's already listed as tier 2 unsealed. I don't understand why he isn't qualifed for HDE if his existence is comparable to the constructs he affects.
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I literally said you guys should just focus on him embodying a universe earlier in this thread and just drop the whole dreaming statement, it's irrelevant.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Simply viewing 3-dimensional objects, entities, or constructs as fiction does not qualify them as Higher-Dimensional, as they are still portrayed as regular 3-dimensional beings.
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Bruh Wang ling didn't views 3 dimensional construct as fiction. It was 4 dimensional one aka dimensionally superior to 3 dimensions. I don't know why you're bringing up 3D in a 4D matter
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Simply viewing 3-dimensional objects, entities, or constructs as fiction does not qualify them as Higher-Dimensional, as they are still portrayed as regular 3-dimensional beings.

Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of movement and measurement, through which beings and objects can displace themselves throughout a given physical system.

vsbattles.fandom.com

Higher-Dimensional Existence

A given object or entity is referred to as being higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions. Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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For how many time I have to say it isn't 3D , we are talking about 4D bruh

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Put simply, even if a being is stated to view an entire universe as a dream, and exist on a higher plane of existence. That higher plane is not higher dimensional, it's Low 1-C, but not 5D, Dimensionality is no longer a guarantee or a given when tiering.

Only if they are specifically stated to be of a certain spatial dimensionality, are they given HDE.
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Are u questioning the very own vsbw TIERING system
Low 1-C: Low Complex Multiverse level
Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)
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You all keep mentioning 3D in a 4D matter, Wang ling wasn't viewing a 3 dimensional construct as fiction. It was a 4 dimensional one.
Potential mediums for viewing a cosmology as fiction include: written media (Books or stories), images (Paintings, comics, or movies), data (Simulations or video games), or mental constructs (thoughts or dreams). All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority. Note that the medium is usually a representation or container for the fiction on a higher plane and not necessarily the fiction in itself.
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Literally viewing a 4D universe as a dream would be proof as viewing something as fiction on here. It states the requirements as thoughts or dreams which Wang ling coordinates with.

Him dreaming the universe isn't irrelevant at all
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
What are the four ones?
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Universes standardly are automatically 4 dimensional on here. Even in the anime, the universes are described as spacetime's. It wasn't on a physical scale but on a dimensional one. The whole physical universe and it's space-time was created solely by a dream
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Universes standardly are automatically 4 dimensional on here. Even in the anime, the universes are described as spacetime's. It wasn't on a physical scale but on a dimensional one. The whole physical universe and it's space-time was created solely by a dream
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You need 4 spatial dimensions. Time doesn't count so this is just a 3d construct. If you don't accept that wait for @PrinceofPein
 
Time is a temporal dimension that acts as a +1 to all spatial dimensions. Because our universe has three spatial dimensions, time acts as the 4th dimension, the temporal dimension.

However, if you check the HDE Page, it is purely in reference to spatial dimensions and does not count temporal ones.
Finally, 3-dimensional beings like ourselves are able to displace themselves left and right and up and down, as well as forwards and backwards, encompassings parts of additional axes of space
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Not axes of space and time.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
You need 4 spatial dimensions. Time doesn't count so this is just a 3d construct. If you don't accept that wait for @PrinceofPein
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Those are NOT the only requirement for HDE, having your existence comparable to a 4 dimensional construct, Large Size etc. Qualifies you for HDE. U kept mentioning things regarding the 3 dimension when this has nothing to do with the third dimension but the space-time on a whole.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Those are NOT the only requirement for HDE, having your existence comparable to a 4 dimensional construct, Large Size etc. Qualifies you for HDE. U kept mentioning things regarding the 3 dimension when this has nothing to do with the third dimension but the space-time on a whole.
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But noone cares about time...You need to have another spatial axis. Do you any proof that Wang has it? If not he doesn't have hde.
 
embodying a universe and its space time doesnt imply having an extra dimensional axis
the universe and space time could still be 3 dimensional
creating a universe in dreams does not indicate higher dimensionality
dreams can create perceived realities without actual higher dimensions
 
Hax999 said:
could still be 3 dimensional
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That would be an assumption. Wiki standards, they're automatically 4D/Universe Level+ unless stated otherwise inverse. Can you give examples of what would imply having a extra dimensional axis? And just saying "Nuh uh" without a explanation on why it wouldn't imply such kinda doesn't assert anything positive. It would be a baseless disagreement.
Hax999 said:
creating a universe in dreams does not indicate higher dimensionality
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Downplaying and misunderstanding the context of the feat. Wang Ling didn't create a universe IN HIS DREAMS. Wang Ling spawned a universe into reality unintentionally from dreaming it while in a dormant state, this happened while he was creating and destroying another universe so he was just spawning universes out of nowhere since his spiritual energy was going wild. In summary, Kinda subjective reality where the users thoughts and ideas come to life but it's Wang ling dreaming a universe. But like i said before, give some examples and scenarios on what WOULD be proof of higher dimensionality because of Wang ling literally having the 4D universe embedded him isn't, idk what is
 
You guys don't even know the basics that universe is by default is a 4Dimensional construct,

And since he embodied that 4D construct he should be on the same level of reality as the universe is.
 
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