Newer SU continuation revision

[Dargoo_Faust]

Garnet has feats above the Red Eye

Let's see 'em.

 

[Antoniofer]

So now you just ripped out the only Red Eye feat. And I don't see how that change anything.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Weekly, In which case, then light cannons don't scale to the Gem Warship's durability, and therefore the explosion that harmed the warship doesn't scale to the Red Eye, meaning that we should just use the calc of the warship explosion itself.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio Because the Light Cannons now scale in between Garnet and Opal without removing any consistency by giving them a number lower than the feat Garnet scales to

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo The scaling would go Warship Durability > Opal > Light Cannons > Garnet = Jasper > Warship AP

 

[WeeklyBattles]

See? Now we're all happy, Dargoo gets to have the Light Cannons be above Garnet in AP and Garnet still scales to the ship's core

 

[Antoniofer]

If the physics behind the Red Eye still apply, the Light Cannon still needs to surpass the GBE of the Eye. Also, if we apply that last logic we will remove a few calcs about busting planets.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio If you want to calc the GBE of the Eye then feel free to, ive been trying to have someone do that for years now

Which ones? I assume youre referring to corebusting?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

1. Why Opal is above the Light Cannons?

2. What's the AP feat of the Warship?

3. If they needed the Light Cannon to stop the red eye, doesn't that implies they weaker than a single cannon?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The Warship's AP comes from scaling from the ship from the comics.

 

[Antoniofer]

Yes, refering the corebusting, this calc use the same principle than any of them.

@AIden, the reason why Opal is above is cuz shook the Warship slightly more than the Light Cannon did (although I find this iffy). The warship has no AP, Weekly has to scale it from another ship, in a questionable way. And yes, everyone still being way weaker than the Red Eye.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio Do you have to overpower the GBE to bust a planet via corebusting? I never understood exactly how those feats work tbh

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Aiden Yes, theyre weaker than a single cannon

The warship scales to a 6000+ year old outdated gem ship that wasnt built for combat having a tier 6 feat with its core

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Like I said I'm fine with Tier 6 fusions (Minus Garnet and Smokey, of course); I beleive that makes reasonable sense. The base Gems shouldn't be any higher than 7-A, though.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The base Gems have tier 6 feats

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Link 'em or repost them if you have.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also if someone could recalc this feat to our new storm standards i'd appreciate

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Is the AoE of Steven's bubble feat getting a calc? Also, Sapphire's storm.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Waiting on Bambu

Also does someone want to calc some non-shapeshifting and non-fusion related mass energy conversion for the verse?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

As I've said before we should use the largest amount of water Lapis has used to attack someone for scaling, otherwise it would be Environmental Destruction. That said having more calcs for Lapis' extent of water control would be nice.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

@Dargoo why not Smokey?

Yeah, I'm trying to do the Sapphire feat, and it's 7-A at best (Although I never did a storm feat before, so it may be higher or lower)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Aiden Smoky = Garnet

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Wait for Bambu's calc for the AoE

In the meantime someone adjust Lapis' storm feat to our new storm standards

Also there are multiple non shapeshifting and non fusion related mass energy feats if someone is interested in calcing them

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I'd personally say Smoky is slightly stronger than Garnet given how easily she manhandled Jasper.

 

[Antoniofer]

Recalc Lapis rain isn't that hard, I think that the new standard is 20 km radius and using CAPE, the weather is just cloudy so constant is 1 kJ/kg, so output would be 20000^2*pi*8000*1.225*1000/4184000000000000 = 2.94 Megatons.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio Cloudy? It turned into a full thunderstorm

 

[AidenBrooks999]

The base Gems have tier 6 feats

Like which?

So far most of them were Tier 7 or innapplicable/questionable

Also, if they are weaker than a 6-C cannon, they not have much room to be Tier 6

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Isn't making a storm in one minute 7-A? The feats could be around that area depending on the time it took.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Aiden The cannon isnt 6-C anymore

 

[Antoniofer]

Mmmm, welp, I remember a hard rain, but I do not recall that much thunders in the sky, the sea was also relatively calm. But is at the very most 109 Megatons.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I thought the vast majority consensus at this point was that ME wasn't valid.

Like a large number of regular users, a number of staff, and several calc members said no.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Almost everyone would scale to being able to break steven's bubble or fighting someone who can, hence why we need Bambu's calc on the ocean falling onto it

Also, again, there are mass energy calcs that can be done that dont involve shapeshifting or fusion

 

[Antoniofer]

@Dargoo, is not mass-energy convertion, is CAPE, or are you refering to other calc? Anyway, that is no longer used.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo The concensus is that its not valid for their bodies, but Gems break down physical objects into energy regularly

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio He was talking to me

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo The concensus is that its not valid for their bodies, but Gems break down physical objects into energy regularly

Link 'em.

Also needs very solid backing to assume it isn't vaporization, extreme pulverization, atomization, etc.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

They turn stuff into energy when they put them in their gemstones? Legit asking, I don't remember.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Yup

Including Steven when Pearl sent him into her Gem

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

They turn stuff into energy when they put them in their gemstones? Legit asking, I don't remember.

That wouldn't really scale to AP.