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Natsu vs Meliodas rematch
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What is Meliodas' AP value in this key?
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Natsu Slams
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hmm could go either way but imma go for meli for now.
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what is Natsu ap?
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aren't they both equalized to 6c if not natsu negs.
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This is Natsu before he fought zeref so he doesn’t have the 200 million degree heat and how does he win Meliodas can reflect his attacks with his clones too, vanish counter and revenge counter.
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Meli isn't as fast as him though
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Speed is equalized
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hmm then I can see meli taking this
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Let’s wait for the supporters for the respective verse to debate
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Natsu slams
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Can we actually be serious here?
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Natsu should take this. He has counters to alot of what meli has. Darkness and Hellblaze get absorbed, reflecting Natsu's fire back at him with full counter won't do anything to Natsu except make him angry. Natsu has dealt with more versatile swordsmanship from Erza, so Meliodas won't be able to catch Natsu with anything he hasn't seen before. Natsu would also quickly work around anything new meli would throw at him with his info analysis and senses.
Once Natsu absorbs one of Meli's spells Natsu would add meli's stats to his then he can amp himself on top of that with his emotion and rage amps.
The biggest issues for Natsu would be meli's regen, counter vanish, and revenge counter. However, Natsu can fight for a long time in this key and certainly take a beating without running out of magic, and if meli uses either of his main long ranged options that would refresh Natsu's stamina and magic. Counter vanish would hinder Natsu's ranged attacks but since meli would want to keep things close anyways, Natsu won't have to worry about it all that much, even still he could just use his flames as boosters for his physical strikes rather than attack them if he needs to. Revenge counter could do serious damage, however, something like that won't catch Natsu off guard either thanks to his crazy good magic sensing, he'd see the change in Meli's magic and could plan around it with either his powernull or halting his current assault and forcing meliodas to change tactics.
Once Natsu absorbs one of Meli's spells Natsu would add meli's stats to his then he can amp himself on top of that with his emotion and rage amps.
The biggest issues for Natsu would be meli's regen, counter vanish, and revenge counter. However, Natsu can fight for a long time in this key and certainly take a beating without running out of magic, and if meli uses either of his main long ranged options that would refresh Natsu's stamina and magic. Counter vanish would hinder Natsu's ranged attacks but since meli would want to keep things close anyways, Natsu won't have to worry about it all that much, even still he could just use his flames as boosters for his physical strikes rather than attack them if he needs to. Revenge counter could do serious damage, however, something like that won't catch Natsu off guard either thanks to his crazy good magic sensing, he'd see the change in Meli's magic and could plan around it with either his powernull or halting his current assault and forcing meliodas to change tactics.
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So in short natsu slams
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How does darkness get absorbed? Also this Meliodas would out skill with swordsmanship he been training for thousands of years has analytical prediction and instinctive reaction with darkness. After reflecting his attacks Meliodas won’t use hellblaze because it would be ineffective. Revenge counter can happen instantly Here Full counter will still work he also has clone to help FC too LS advantage means he can have his clones restrain Natsu also Meliodas has a ap advantage plus night boost so he is at an advantage here.
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Also Natsu flames are just going to be nothing compared to Meliodas resistances to wheat if lightning and magic resistance.
Even the tiniest amount of magic will be reflected even if it’s a physical attack aka twigo sword strikes. Also accelerated development will allow Meliodas to just copy Natsu fighting style. Also this Meliodas is more of a physical fighter of he see Natsu FC attacks not working he wouldn’t use fire or magic in general just get close and out skill.
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Natsu can absorb dark regulus by this key, which is darkness manip that he mixes with his flames for black fire dragon mode
Natsu has both of those things as well, and even has info analysis that can completely dissect meliodas's fighting style. Mel has experience sure but none of this is new for natsu he's fought and beaten people with massive experience gaps over him before. Nothing meliodas has is new for natsu since he's fought with an a against a highly skilled and versatile sword user most of his life. I don't find skill debates particularly useful in this fight anyways since they different fighting styles anyways.
Even just one fire attack would heavily swing the fight in Natsu's favor, adding meli's stats and completely refreshing Natsu's stamina and magic would put meli at a severe disadvantage.
That's not relevant, like Natsu did with Zeref, he'd sense the change in meli's magic before he even got the words out and could just powernull it.
the LS difference is hardly relevant here since meli certainly doesn't start with grappling, as soon as he'd throw some fire natsu's way Natsu would overtake him in LS anyways, plus if the clones tried to hold them down, he'd just flare up his heat and burn them away.
Natsu has magic resistance negation, and has a scaling chain that puts him far above lightning levels of heat, by this point in the series, plus his emotions and rage amp the temp of his heat so its only gonna get hotter the longer the fight goes on.
Good thing Natsu has developed a fighting style in his fight with Yuka that doesn't rely on him using magic to attack
Something Natsu can also do like he did against sting and rogue
I've already mentioned why a skill debate is a nonfactor here, neither would be able to fully outskill the other here since neither uses unique fighting styles that other haven't fought and dealt with in the past.
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Natsu being Natsu I can definitely see him literally forgetting he can do that lmfao.
Natsu FRA.
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Facts tbh.
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Meliodas resist powernull his magic attacks still hit Escanor who can burn magic and his resistance to power null is layered. Darkness in nnt is physical matter not actually magic the last person that tried to absorb it got shredded. Meliodas grabbed hunterfest ban arm, he grabbed Gilthunder sword he grabbed demon Hendrickson and etc. what about his layered passive fear hax? NLF Natsu hasn’t faced someone with thousands of years of training and combat experience he can’t get past mid regeneration and reflection. Meliodas is a genius he sees Natsu fire not working then he wouldn’t use his fire. Same for nnt about the heat scaling chain. Actually Meliodas resist information analysis he resist droles magic eye.
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So you concede with the skill debate right? Because Meliodas outskills pretty easily here. He predicts Natsu attacks keeps reflecting them until he runs out of stamina since Natsu stamina won’t restore if he eats his owns flames and Meliodas will not launch magic attack on him he is a genius and can analyze situations clearly. Next Meliodas magic resistance is layered. Stop trying to make win cons for Natsu without scans or proof.
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Speedster moment.
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He never said that.
Natsu also has Analytical Prediction. **** Meliodas shouldn't even have Analytical Prediction to begin with, he just reacted to an attack. No statements or implications of reading ahead are given.
1: Meliodas doesnt have infinite stamina or endurance so he is liable to run out of Magic as well.
2: Meliodas is far from a perfect fighter. Stop acting like Meliodas is Yujiro Hanma, there's been plenty of times where Mel has been taken off guard, couldn't understand abilities, etc. He is not as infallible as your attempting to make him seem.
Pretty sure Natsu's negation is also layered
Ironic.
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Natsu slams FRA
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Man I would HATE to debate against NNT
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Meliodas could fight for years so yes he has the stamina advantage. Reflecting attacks take virtually zero power and his clones as well take no stamina to use and summon and they can use FC too. Well Meliodas has resistance to analaytocal predecition so not a problem. Meliodas is more layered. I am not saying he is perfect but he has the experience and skill advantage here.
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Stop making stuff up Speedster and show scans 
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Scans, i don't believe you of all people regarding NNT.
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