Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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Ah yes Anti Magic Fire Dragon Mode
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Natsu vs Asta 7-5-0 GRACE
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Natsu FRA.
speedster352
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sigh counted
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And while trading blows it will be very difficult for Natsu to land an attack due to Asta predicting all of his moves and reacting accordingly and far more likely for Asta to land a counter attack on Natsu
speedster352
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Yeah but even a graze from Asta sword can stop Natsu from using magic
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Just to reiterate one more time before going to work
SBA, 10 meters apart, they have no knowledge of themselves,
Natsu has the AP advantage of 30.91 megatons while Asta is lacking at 8.83 megatons, Natsu has the superior lifting strength as well. However, The reason I still vote for Asta is because of the following:
Asta’s evasion abilities are superior: Asta can predict moves, evade attacks, and counter-attack by sensing Natsu’s ki, Asta also goes into a state where his body moves on his own when he is in a very dangerous situation (instinctive reaction), Yes, Natsu may also have precognition, however, Asta has resistance to precognition and is capable of throwing off Natsu’s senses which puts Natsu at a disadvantage.
Asta swords: They are imbued with Anti-magic and the tip of his swords are shown to be very sharp. His swords could dig into Vetto, who scales to 26.5 gigatons. Asta will be able to deal piercing damage to Natsu. Asta also can take away his magic as well.
Others: little things like a slightly higher combat intelligence and adaptability due to his creativity and the ability to decipher and imitate moves at a glance. Natsu only has the ability to decipher moves at a glance. Natsu also has a dragon roar but it is out of character for him to start with that at a very close range of 10m and as soon as Asta strikes him and takes away his magic, it will be too late to use dragon roar or other fire magic abilities. Is Natsu dumb enough to eat anti-magic? I feel like that's a possibility if he doesn't know about the ability
So far the only argument for Natsu is his superior strength. I hope I was able to convince everyone that superior strength isn’t enough to take down Asta. However, Asta’s superior evasion skills and counter-attacking with piercing damage with the tip of Asta’s Anti-magic swords are enough to take down Natsu. He has slightly better combat intelligence, and adaptability.
These are my reasons Asta wins.
SBA, 10 meters apart, they have no knowledge of themselves,
Natsu has the AP advantage of 30.91 megatons while Asta is lacking at 8.83 megatons, Natsu has the superior lifting strength as well. However, The reason I still vote for Asta is because of the following:
Asta’s evasion abilities are superior: Asta can predict moves, evade attacks, and counter-attack by sensing Natsu’s ki, Asta also goes into a state where his body moves on his own when he is in a very dangerous situation (instinctive reaction), Yes, Natsu may also have precognition, however, Asta has resistance to precognition and is capable of throwing off Natsu’s senses which puts Natsu at a disadvantage.
Asta swords: They are imbued with Anti-magic and the tip of his swords are shown to be very sharp. His swords could dig into Vetto, who scales to 26.5 gigatons. Asta will be able to deal piercing damage to Natsu. Asta also can take away his magic as well.
Others: little things like a slightly higher combat intelligence and adaptability due to his creativity and the ability to decipher and imitate moves at a glance. Natsu only has the ability to decipher moves at a glance. Natsu also has a dragon roar but it is out of character for him to start with that at a very close range of 10m and as soon as Asta strikes him and takes away his magic, it will be too late to use dragon roar or other fire magic abilities. Is Natsu dumb enough to eat anti-magic? I feel like that's a possibility if he doesn't know about the ability
So far the only argument for Natsu is his superior strength. I hope I was able to convince everyone that superior strength isn’t enough to take down Asta. However, Asta’s superior evasion skills and counter-attacking with piercing damage with the tip of Asta’s Anti-magic swords are enough to take down Natsu. He has slightly better combat intelligence, and adaptability.
These are my reasons Asta wins.
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A graze? You got a scan of that?
speedster352
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I meant a hit look at Asta profile
Testarossa002
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Asta FRA
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That "sigh" tells me you made this match already planning on Asta winning, if I'm being honest
speedster352
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I am joking
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Can i know how many exactly baseline layers asta powernull?
speedster352
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It works on those with power null resistance
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Aight, hard to tell via text
speedster352
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Yeah I know but I was just joking
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works on Vetto which scales to 26.5 gigatons Its definitely higher in base but that's the fastest example I can think of
Edit: There is also 3 eyed Patri that Asta nullified in base.
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???what the ap has to do with hax layers?
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I was like he was able to neg ______ amount of power with Anti Maho at the lowest layer. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you mean
speedster352
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Sorry to derail but should I make Kisame vs Natsu?
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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Gonna go on natsu in this one FRA
Epsilon_R
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Asta's lowest form of AM works on those with a resistance and the nullification of AM gets stronger the more Anti-Magic he uses
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how does this relate to my question? this is layers of hax being overcome and not a demonstration of the relationship between layers of hax and ap <that was my question.
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Give us an example lol
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DragonGamer FRA
speedster352
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Who? Again what are the wincons?
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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Who's that? there's no DragonGamer commented AFAIK
speedster352
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Can you tell me the wincons for both?
Popted2
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the former name of Cloverdragon
speedster352
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What do you mean?
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The youngins don’t even know smh
Kazuma_kuwabara
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I have to vote Asta if I want this to be inconclusive...
speedster352
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So what's your vote?
Popted2
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its what i just said, you can change the name of your username, the former name of Cloverdragon was Dragonmasterxyz
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Dragonmasterxyz is a different dragon iirc. He’s the Digimon one.
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damn... I've seen Dragongamer a few times in the past. Nice
speedster352
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But why though aren't you derailing?
speedster352
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… how is he the one derailing when he answered your question?
Popted2
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oh right its Dragongamer
excuse me? i just answered your question
speedster352
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Anyway, what are the win cons for both? Asta can adapt and counter Natsu moves and remove the Ap advantage quickly Natsu might eat anti magic. What are Natsu win con?
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