Natsu vs Asta 7-5-0 GRACE

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Opp claims that Natsu's danger sense lets him know events that happen in the immediate future, true?

Iirc not like that unless i forgot something

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Iirc not like that unless i forgot something

ikrrr

even went as far to claim he would know his attacks would get negged with anti-magic and be cautious

 

[speedster352]

bump

 

[CloverDragon03]

I think I'm voting Natsu

 

[speedster352]

Counted

 

[Arnoldstone18]

What are the winscon for Natsu

 

[speedster352]

What are the winscon for Natsu

Going for the kill of the bat before Asta can adapt to him

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Going for the kill of the bat before Asta can adapt to him

That's it?

instinctive reaction, unpredictability, and Ki sensing make Asta hard to kill

 

[speedster352]

That's it?

Yes that's it's but there in character so probably won't happen

 

[CloverDragon03]

Natsu has also dealt with anti-magic before via this dude

 

[speedster352]

Natsu has also dealt with anti-magic before via this dude

Yeah but Asta has amazing adaptability and prediction with ki

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yes that's it's but there in character so probably won't happen

Regardless, Asta should be able to maneuver through all of his attacks with the abilities i mentioned above and I still think piercing damage from the tip of Asta's Slayer would work in Asta's favor. So Asta would probably be able to adapt in due time and overcome, I vote Asta

Natsu has also dealt with anti-magic before via this dude

says wave magic not anti maho on his thingy

 

[speedster352]

Regardless, Asta should be able to maneuver through all of his attacks with the abilities i mentioned above and I still think piercing damage from the tip of Asta's Slayer would work in Asta's favor. So Asta would probably be able to adapt in due time and overcome, I vote Asta



says wave magic not anti maho on his thingy

Counted

 

[CloverDragon03]

says wave magic not anti maho on his thingy

His Wave Magic nullifies opponents' incoming magic, giving Yuka the title of the guild's Anti-Mage

 

[Arnoldstone18]

His Wave Magic nullifies opponents' incoming magic, giving Yuka the title of the guild's Anti-Mage

Oh yeah

so how was he defeated, im wondering how he made you pick natsu

 

[speedster352]

Oh yeah

so how was he defeated, im wondering how he made you pick natsu

Natsu punched him with an arm thrust with magic from outside the barrier

 

[CloverDragon03]

Oh yeah

so how was he defeated, im wondering how he made you pick natsu

Basically, Natsu punched through it with his bare fist so that his hand was in the Wave Magic and his elbow was outside the Wave Magic. He used fire on his elbow to then propel his fist and power up his punch to win

 

[speedster352]

Basically, Natsu punched through it with his bare fist so that his hand was in the Wave Magic and his elbow was outside the Wave Magic. He used fire on his elbow to then propel his fist and power up his punch to win

Can't Asta prevent Natsu from using magic for a while?

 

[CloverDragon03]

I don't know, but even then, Natsu is incredibly skilled at fighting with his bare fists and has fought with characters like Jellal, who outclassed Erza, whose sword skills are at least on Asta's level if not higher

 

[speedster352]

I don't know, but even then, Natsu is incredibly skilled at fighting with his bare fists and has fought with characters like Jellal, who outclassed Erza, whose sword skills are at least on Asta's level if not higher

Asta has adaptation, rapid development and precognition and etc to help him out including anti-magic that works on characters with powernull resistance.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I don't know, but even then, Natsu is incredibly skilled at fighting with his bare fists and has fought with characters like Jellal, who outclassed Erza, whose sword skills are at least on Asta's level if not higher

Okidoki
To add to what @speedster352 said

adaptation, rapid development and precognition

He also has Instinctive reactions and unpredictability. Skills that Erza lacks.

 

[speedster352]

Okidoki
To add to what @speedster352 said

He also has Instinctive reactions and unpredictability. Skills that Erza lacks.

In other words Asta can win this trough adaptabity, skills, anti magic and instintive reaction.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yep, now let us wait for votes with reasons pls thanks

 

[speedster352]

Yep, now let us wait for votes with reasons pls thanks

Ok I updated the votes

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Neutral leaning towards natsu RN

 

[TheForgottenKing]

Following
Neutral but slightly leaning towards Natsu but I could also lean towards Asta


But leaning towards Natsu a little more Due to his huge LS advantage and we have seen Natsu grapple and throw his opponents before so it’s not out of character for him to do so


I mean Natsu has fought Yuka and Byro and totomatu who all who use either nullification magic or could effectively nullify his Fire magic

(therefore leaving Natsu unable to use his magic)


So fighting without his magic isn’t something he is new to

Plus Natsu is a skilled H2H combatant

I mean despite being at a disadvantage due to lacking a sword and not being able to effectively use his magic Natsu was still able to match the S class mage Totomaru

And as Clover mentioned he can match the likes of Erza and Jellal


And while Natsu doesn’t have reactive evolution he does have rage amps which activate when he is on the losing end of a fight

And that’s Rage amps allowed him to strike and or defeat people who are far stronger and far more skilled than him such as Gorian and Byro

Anyway I’m still neutral but I will be following the match

I’m currently at work on break so I can’t comment to frequently

 

[speedster352]

Following
Neutral but slightly leaning towards Natsu but I could also lean towards Asta


But leaning towards Natsu a little more Due to his huge LS advantage and we have seen Natsu grapple and throw his opponents before so it’s not out of character for him to do so


I mean Natsu has fought Yuka and Byro and totomatu who all who use either nullification magic or could effectively nullify his Fire magic

(therefore leaving Natsu unable to use his magic)


So fighting without his magic isn’t something he is new to

Plus Natsu is a skilled H2H combatant

I mean despite being at a disadvantage due to lacking a sword and not being able to effectively use his magic Natsu was still able to match the S class mage Totomaru

And as Clover mentioned he can match the likes of Erza and Jellal


And while Natsu doesn’t have reactive evolution he does have rage amps which activate when he is on the losing end of a fight

And that’s Rage amps allowed him to strike and or defeat people who are far stronger and far more skilled than him such as Gorian and Byro

Anyway I’m still neutral but I will be following the match

I’m currently at work on break so I can’t comment to frequently

• Damage Reduction: (Assimilated Kiato's swordsmanship, which allowed him to tank a blow from Vetto by deflecting the force of the blow, his head would have been blown out of his body if he had not done so)
• Enhanced Instinctive Reaction and Sense Manipulation: (Assimilated Kiato's fighting style, which throws the opponent's senses with its movement and makes said movements unpredictable to the eyes of ki sensers)
• Reactive Evolution: (capable of picking up moves and replicating them during a fight as shown in his fight against Kiato)
• Reactive Power Level: (During his battle against Vetto, Asta was able to intercept and deflect Vetto's Forbidden Magic beam despite being completely overpowered by a more suppressed Vetto moments before. Adapted in a short period of time to Magna's fire balls, where each fire ball becomes invisible halfway through and randomly teleport around the target right before hitting them. Went from not being able to track a single throw even with ki sensing to being able to deflect a barrage of them for several minutes, thus without moving much and while protecting the crystal behind him)
• Resistance to Information Analysis and Precognition: (Assimilated Kiato's swordsmanship whose movements were able to throw Asta's sharp senses off and rendered Asta unable to read his ki)
• Resistance to Temperature Manipulation: (Unaffected by the cold temperature generated by Neige's Snow Storm, which was cold enough to create icicles),

Black Asta:

• Aura: (Emits Anti-Magic in his surroundings)
• Limited Death Manipulation: (Withered plants in his surroundings by emanating Anti-Magic])
• Flight: (Has finally gained the ability to fly. However, he automatically homes on extremely large concentration of magic which makes it very hard for him to maneuver. This issue is solved over the course of the series)
• Limited Magic Homing: (with Black Meteorite)
• Improved versions of his original Anti-Magic abilities
• Resistance to Heat Manipulation: (Unaffected by the heat of the Yultim Volcano, a Grand Magic Region which can reduce a human to ashes with heat alone. Ran through Spirit Ladros' fire beam without difficulty)

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Black Asta:

EMS Asta doesn't have black asta that's Royal Knights Arc if you're wondering why it's there because the tab is from EMS to Royal Knight's Arc

 

[speedster352]

EMS Asta doesn't have black asta that's Royal Knights Arc if you're wondering why it's there because the tab is from EMS to Royal Knight's Arc

Okay sorry about that

 

[shansome]

Basically, Natsu punched through it with his bare fist so that his hand was in the Wave Magic and his elbow was outside the Wave Magic. He used fire on his elbow to then propel his fist and power up his punch to win

Fire Dragon Slayer's Flame Elbow would work on Asta I'm pretty sure, since when Asta blocks with his anti-magic blades it'll just be an incredible amount of physical force.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Fire Dragon Slayer's Flame Elbow would work on Asta I'm pretty sure, since when Asta blocks with his anti-magic blades it'll just be an incredible amount of physical force.

don't forget about Asta's Ki sensing, damage reduction, instinctive reaction...

 

[shansome]

don't forget about Asta's Ki sensing, damage reduction, instinctive reaction...

I did say "when Asta blocks"

 

[speedster352]

I did say "when Asta blocks"

But one hit from Asta sword and Natsu can’t use magic for a while

 

[Arnoldstone18]

"when Asta blocks"

if*

 

[shansome]

But one hit from Asta sword and Natsu can’t use magic for a while

Are you talking about demon-dweller's magic absorption? Sorry, I haven't read black clover in a while

 

[CloverDragon03]

don't forget about Asta's Ki sensing, damage reduction, instinctive reaction...

You keep saying that but Natsu also has the adaptation to deal with that, and with an over 3x AP advantage, Natsu's not gonna need as many hits to defeat Asta as Asta's gonna need to defeat Natsu.

 

[speedster352]

You keep saying that but Natsu also has the adaptation to deal with that, and with an over 3x AP advantage, Natsu's not gonna need as many hits to defeat Asta as Asta's gonna need to defeat Natsu.

I still think Asta can win with his better adaptation and anti magic

 

[CloverDragon03]

Natsu has already dealt with Anti-Magic with better range than what Asta has. And that's another thing: range. Natsu has far more range while Asta at this point is a strictly melee fighter.

Not to mention Natsu, funnily enough, has the same "turning off his own mind" instinctive reaction that Asta does

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You keep saying that but Natsu also has the adaptation to deal with that, and with an over 3x AP advantage, Natsu's not gonna need as many hits to defeat Asta as Asta's gonna need to defeat Natsu.

This match is funny tbh.

Anyways Asta has damage reduction if Natsu ends up tagging him, an unlikely event. and Asta also has adaptation which should at least cancel Natsu's adaptation out.

So NOPE Natsu is gonna need at least as many hits to beat Asta.




I'll also keep saying Piercing damage and reactive power level jsyk... And he is better than that trash Wave magic dude

 

[CloverDragon03]

How does Asta have damage reduction?