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Doesn't matter. You guys can have your fun with discussing what's higher after this thread is done.Also, which is higher? Akasha the root or throne in shinza banshou?
From what i see the throne >>>baselone so throne>akasha?
Eh, actually this is related about how dimensions work in nasuverse.Dont post it here, but in the discussion thread. This is one of the reason why Nasu thread is a pain, people keep posting stuff that is unrelated to the thread.......
sure.Just remove that, focus on the OP.
I fail to see how someone with a connection to the root being slightly resistant to it means it's not on equal footing
If they were completely unable to resist it, that'd actually imply that it's on a higher level than the others connected to it.
And people born with a connection to the root having reality warping abilities while this doesn't also doesn't seem like a good reason for them not to scale. They do different things, one is meant to work on humans, and so it does, the other one is a more general use of the root's power.
The unified language also explicitly resonates with the root.
In any case, it has also shown to work on Shiki
"“That is not what you will do, Miss Shiki,” the mage says with an air of authority as if to emphasize a point. I should be at him by now, making him regret those words. But instead, they somehow hold me in place, preventing me from performing an action that something inside me tells me is purely wrong, even as my mind says everything about it is right."
"The mental block still makes moving difficult, but I manage to pump
strength into my legs to close the distance, raise my hand—
“Your sight is lost.”
I hear his voice for a split second, and in that vital moment, it echoes in my mind like an undeniable truth. The next thing I know, I see neither hide nor hair of Satsuki Kurogiri, and my knife swings only at empty air."
This next one is where her slight resistance comes from, and even then, she's affected
“Your Eyes will not avail you here.”
The statement echoes confidently above and below the chapel, and darkness rapidly begins to curtain everything. Through his words, I am deprived of even the faintest light in moments, and become surrounded by a world of darkness.
“Hmph. The first tongue has less effect on you than I expected,” he grumbles. “The connection of both of our spells to the spiral of origin grants you some measure of resistance perhaps. But in the end, the death you cling so close to remains unseen. As does everything else"
This is also despite his usage of it not being as good as it could be
"Godword is the only known one able to reproduce this universal language, and work his Art through the high speech. He communicates to all men, a channel through which that demiurgic force, that ultimate origin passes through. That his lack of talent for magehood prevents him from truly using it dangerously is a blessing for us.”
Here is a quote also explicitly saying it taps into and uses Akasha
“If the medium of words is used, yes. But the man is different. He speaks not truly to men and beast, but to the soul in them that still contains that last connection to something higher. There is always a part of us that is culled from that primeval spiral of origin, and when the high speech speaks to the soul, our fallen selves are compelled to obey. To deny it is to ontologically deny the very structure of reality, and thus impossible. An absolute language, that starts from statement and then proceeds to become truth. It is the ultimate form of hypnotism. He accesses the Akashic Record unconsciously, and through the high speech, taps into it to channel his will. It’s how he draws forth the memory, not from your mind, but from the Record of things past that reality still contains."
I just want to say. The moon cell is not limited to just earthThe Mooncells operate as the Holy Grail only within the scope of Earth.
I don't understand you last text for moon cell what you mean by that?The Mooncells operate as the Holy Grail only within the scope of Earth. While Mooncells clearly demonstrated the achievement of building an eight-dimensional barrier, he was not able to demonstrate the full power of being a high-dimensional being to exert an infinite influence on the low-dimensional. I don't think Mooncells can easily destroy a sub-dimensional universe that is lower than eight dimensions. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Mooncells can exert infinite influence on the sub-dimension as a high-dimensional being. For the easiest example, the reality of the Type Moon worldview is 3dimensions, and Mooncells are observing the 3dimensions Earth through 4dimensions, but without vast amounts of observational data accumulated over tens of thousands of years, it is impossible to even operate as a Holy Grail within the Earth's range.
Also, Zeletch uses a tool called a book to observe parallel worlds, but this does not mean that he can recognize low-dimension as fiction and exert infinite influence on it. Zelretch is just a traveler who recognizes and moves around the parallel world, and I don't think that tearing a book can destroy that parallel world. You should not focus on the word 'book', which is a tool Zeletch needs to observe parallel worlds, and many people are distorting the truth just as Zeletch perceives low-dimension as fiction. I assure you, Zelretch is not a high-dimensional being, and this is not even worth arguing about.
This doesn't really matter due to Earth/Gaia's nature, and is also provably false since it is a universal observational AI. It grabbed the 8-D wall from elsewhere.The Mooncells operate as the Holy Grail only within the scope of Earth
Most of this is also false. First of all, i said to leave the MoonCell having 8-D shit to other threads.I don't think Mooncells can easily destroy a sub-dimensional universe that is lower than eight dimensions. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Mooncells can exert infinite influence on the sub-dimension as a high-dimensional being. For the easiest example, the reality of the Type Moon worldview is 3dimensions, and Mooncells are observing the 3dimensions Earth through 4dimensions, but without vast amounts of observational data accumulated over tens of thousands of years, it is impossible to even operate as a Holy Grail within the Earth's range.
Second Issue : It still doesn't change the core of my previous post
Even if hypothetically assuming that Cokesato's scans are magically accurate, it still doesn't really change anything. Nothing in canon has the UL relating to "ontological reality". It just says denying the words would be the same as denying your own existence.
The Unified Language is connected to the Root, and we already have evidence to support that one's individual connection to the root is important. Manaka and Ryougi are key examples - they're both connected to it from birth, but their abilities with it are drastically at different levels.
You guys to make it automatically Root-level, 1-A hax, except its only feats are messing with normal Ryougi. This is forgetting so much context, thinking a character is operating at their max 100% of the time.
And again, the UL can't affect the natural world. So it shouldn't scale anyway. They're not comparable. It shouldn't be used as an example of 1A.
So I still disagree with UL automatically being Root-level and hence 1-A hax. And finally, the "connection" to it should not be a valid argument either on its own. Canonically, the Root is the foundation of everything, everything comes from it. So by that logic everything in Nasu would be 1-A. This is just NLF.
TL;DR of the TL;DR A 1-A hax rating for Unified Language is not granted without any feats on that scale. And again it can't affect the natural world anyway.
1)I'll ignore the translation part for now and address this, since that series of events is consistent across both that translation, the movies, and other tls I've seen
Your entire argument is "this ability doesn't reality warp, so it must not be 1-A" that's what it boils down to
I don't think you understand how much of an inane leap in logic it is to go "both of these things are directly powered by the root, but this one doesn't have the ability to destroy reality with a thought so its clearly not 1-A."
You say that Manaka and Shiki both being connected shows there can be different levels to it, sure, someone being the root, and someone just being connected to it can be at different levels I guess, but this still doesn't support your idea of the unified language not scaling for some reason.
The root being the foundation of everything wouldn't make everything scale to 1-A, that's a false equivalency, because not everything is explicitly using the root, resonating with it, etc. This however, is, it is explicitly made to have been powered by the root, which is why the entire series of events at the end of Oblivion Recording can even happen.
You keep bringing up "it can't affect the natural world" like that at all matters. That's not how it works, something doesn't have to affect every part of reality to have a certain rating for its hax. If you have 2-A mindhax, you don't need to be able to destroy the multiverse with it for instance.
So with that part of it being a complete non argument, you're left with "its not 1-A because it's not 1-A". Your entire argument has relied on "its a different level because this one doesn't reality warp." when reality warping is not at all a requirement for an ability to be a tier. The fact Shiki is affected is proof of it not being some infinite degrees weaker when it's using the same power source, as the entire reason she can resist, even in other translations, is that she is also connected to the root. You can argue this is base Shiki and not Void, okay.
This still doesn't change the fact of the matter, that this exchange shows its on a similar level, otherwise her connection wouldn't give a slight degree of resistance, if the unified language was completely nothing compared to any other connections to the root, it would do nothing to her. You can't even say that it's only because it's Ryougi that it was used on, because the connection is intrinsic to her body, which is why Void can exist in the first place.
TL;DR
If it doesn't f*ck up an actual 1-A in some fashion, it really shouldn't scale.
Now moving on, we wait for staff.
ThisIts already said in the conclusion, that part 2 is for those who scale. But yeah, Unified Language didnt really affect the argument for 1-A.
^Should we begin to ask for staff?
too late, already screenshotted.Shiki scales to 1-A and nuttin' else.
(Please don't take me saying nothing really fast outta context
Probably a good idea.