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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

TheKingStrategist13 said:
I already brought these concerns up in the RVR thread (Not the best place to put it? Maybe, but I believe that the CRT Guidlines pertaining to letting members grant input on CRT's are being trampled on, so I think it's a valid concern) and he just waived them away like it's nothing
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That's because it's on RvR, which is why you need to say that on private
Nor if you want to, i can bump your concern on RvR
 

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Kisaragi_Megumi said:
Nvm what you said about "waving it like nothing" is false, he's responded right after you made that comment
Still, talking with him in private will be a good try
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Maybe I worded that wrong, what I'm trying to say is that he basically went "This isn't a rvr report" Even though I'm pretty sure it brings up pretty relevant rules, so it felt like he was mostly dismissing it.
 
Tdjwo said:
This thread is a big joke. Imagine making a major downgrade to a verse then turning it into a staff discussion while restricting every knowledgeable member of that verse because they aren't staff members. Only Crimson and Paul Frank are allowed to converse meanwhile Dread, BestMGQScaler, etc who have close to zero knowledge on the verse are allowed to comment. Even the staff that want the mooncell downgraded barely know anything about Nasuverse especially DeagonX. Makes absolutely no sense. Nasuverse has almost no staff member so why the heck is the thread only for staff members? Restricting knowledgeable people like Regidian, Theoretical, etc makes no sense since they are one of the very few people who actually understands the verse unlike the misinterpreter called Chase.
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Well no, that's not at all a bad thing. This is a big deal to the point where it's gotten discussion notes as well. Making it a staff thread to stop a useless FRA train rather than actually well-structured responses is a smart idea. Everyone who actually asked for permission and had relevant points to add were allowed to. It's just that they don't allow for meaningless derailment, which is optimal.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
But they must have extraordinary proof to reach beyond those cardinals.
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That, in my opinion, isn't a good practice to take. By logic they should. We'd only be restricting it out of care for it being too extreme. I don't agree. I think what should be taken into account is how the verse treats such a statement
 
Theoretical said:
Outside of Ultima, agnaa made better arguments. Dt on the other hand.... (no) idk why people agree with him in that case anyways agnaa's proposal and how he went about justifying it is more appealing to me atleast.
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Yeah, Ultima and Agnaa have so far made the best arguments. The main reason I think people agree with DT is cause they agree with his "big claims need big evidence" belief. While that's something easy to agree with, it's also a little weird that people were so okay with statements like "beyond dimensionality" being 1A, but not High 1A even though that has just as much of a logical foundation, if not even more of one.
 
Guys, I found a funny thing. Look at this:
「人の身で神に至ったものは数あれど……人の身のまま神を凌駕するものがいようとは。いや、そもそも……何ですかアレ！ 精神構造が超次元立方体でも表せねー！！ 腹ん中に宇宙作ってんじゃねーですよ！」
(“There are many people who have reached the gods with their human bodies, but there are those who surpass gods with their human bodies.
The mental structure can't even be represented by a superdimenshional hypercube! ! You're not making a universe in your stomach! ")

And, well, just look at the description of the Dreamlands:

この世界空間では、何ものも私から逃れることはできない。この場所はいかなる物理現象にも属さない。カルデアが図面に高次元の何かを書き込んで座標を統一しても、通常の空間の法則はこのエフィマリア世界にはまったく削除されない。不可能な領域を作ろうが、異なる法則の世界を見つけようが、複雑な数をいくら増やそうが、この愛の深淵には何の違いもないのだ。
(Nothing can escape me in this world space. This place does not belong to any physical phenomenon. Even if Chaldea writes something high-dimensional on the map and unifies the coordinates, the normal laws of space are not deleted at all in this Efimaria world. It makes no difference in this abyss of love whether we create the impossible realm, discover a world of different laws, or increase the number of intricacies.)

Yog-Sothoth tier 1-A???
 
MrUnderlord said:
Guys, I found a funny thing. Look at this:
「人の身で神に至ったものは数あれど……人の身のまま神を凌駕するものがいようとは。いや、そもそも……何ですかアレ！ 精神構造が超次元立方体でも表せねー！！ 腹ん中に宇宙作ってんじゃねーですよ！」
(“There are many people who have reached the gods with their human bodies, but there are those who surpass gods with their human bodies.
The mental structure can't even be represented by a superdimenshional hypercube! ! You're not making a universe in your stomach! ")

And, well, just look at the description of the Dreamlands:

この世界空間では、何ものも私から逃れることはできない。この場所はいかなる物理現象にも属さない。カルデアが図面に高次元の何かを書き込んで座標を統一しても、通常の空間の法則はこのエフィマリア世界にはまったく削除されない。不可能な領域を作ろうが、異なる法則の世界を見つけようが、複雑な数をいくら増やそうが、この愛の深淵には何の違いもないのだ。
(Nothing can escape me in this world space. This place does not belong to any physical phenomenon. Even if Chaldea writes something high-dimensional on the map and unifies the coordinates, the normal laws of space are not deleted at all in this Efimaria world. It makes no difference in this abyss of love whether we create the impossible realm, discover a world of different laws, or increase the number of intricacies.)

Yog-Sothoth tier 1-A???
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Sounds a bit too vague to be used at all.

Also wtf does "can't even be represented by a superdimenshional hypercube!" mean? "superdimensional hypercube" sounds like a vague non sequitur.
 
MrUnderlord said:
Guys, I found a funny thing. Look at this:
「人の身で神に至ったものは数あれど……人の身のまま神を凌駕するものがいようとは。いや、そもそも……何ですかアレ！ 精神構造が超次元立方体でも表せねー！！ 腹ん中に宇宙作ってんじゃねーですよ！」
(“There are many people who have reached the gods with their human bodies, but there are those who surpass gods with their human bodies.
The mental structure can't even be represented by a superdimenshional hypercube! ! You're not making a universe in your stomach! ")

And, well, just look at the description of the Dreamlands:

この世界空間では、何ものも私から逃れることはできない。この場所はいかなる物理現象にも属さない。カルデアが図面に高次元の何かを書き込んで座標を統一しても、通常の空間の法則はこのエフィマリア世界にはまったく削除されない。不可能な領域を作ろうが、異なる法則の世界を見つけようが、複雑な数をいくら増やそうが、この愛の深淵には何の違いもないのだ。
(Nothing can escape me in this world space. This place does not belong to any physical phenomenon. Even if Chaldea writes something high-dimensional on the map and unifies the coordinates, the normal laws of space are not deleted at all in this Efimaria world. It makes no difference in this abyss of love whether we create the impossible realm, discover a world of different laws, or increase the number of intricacies.)

Yog-Sothoth tier 1-A???
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This is not 1A...superdimensional literally means higher dimensional
 
Tarang123 said:
This is not 1A...superdimensional literally means higher dimensional
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I think he meant the second text which says :
This place does not belong to any physical phenomenon. Even if Chaldea writes something high-dimensional on the map and unifies the coordinates, the normal laws of space are not deleted at all in this Efimaria world.
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I'm no expert in japanese, but I've used DeepL to translate it and the result was this:
Nothing can escape me in this world space. This place does not belong to any physical phenomenon. Even if the Chaldeans write something of a higher dimension on the drawing board and unify the coordinates, the normal laws of space are not removed at all in this world of Ephimalia. No matter how many impossible realms I create, no matter how many worlds I find with different laws, no matter how many complex numbers I increase, it makes no difference to this abyss of love.
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BestMGQScalerEver said:
It is. It says "宇宙" (or something similar) instead of "次元"
Aight I got it wrong a bit but it still doesnt have jigen in it.

"六つの扉は、上下、左右、前後の、 あらゆる空間を、意味して、いる。"
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The translation doesn't make any sense context wise. The original one makes more sense. Also, show me the scan and source for this translation
 
Maxeez said:
I mean probably, but I would appreciate that Underlord sent the source for the scans/raws.
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Actually, this scan was taken from this guy. I have already requested the source.
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Tdjwo said:
And it would be a very good supporting statement with the original scan of Yog being above all dimensions
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During NP of the original Abby she claims that Ultimate Gate (aka Final Gate) exists beyond the Dreamlands.
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BestMGQScalerEver said:
You can find it all the way at the bottom or close to there.
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The entire scan uses "space" which makes less sense compared to dimensions based on how it's description or incomprehensibility by humans. The context for dimensions makes more sense than just space lol. It's even stated that they can't be accessed by higher dimensions
 
MrUnderlord said:
if this guy provides a source in which it will be clear that his scan was about Dreamlands, then Yog is a good pretender to at least Low 1-A
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Idk about the dreamlands part, but the superdimensional cube part is a dialogue quote from Koyanska.
 
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