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Narutoverse Scaling: Kazekage Rescue Mission - Pain's Assault arcs

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UchihaSlayer96 said:
An Edo Tensei caster being able to control the Edos doesn't necessarily mean he's as strong or stronger. If that were the case then Kabuto would be stronger than all the Edo Tensei he summoned combined, which just doesn't sound right lol.

Also we don't really know how Pre-revival Orochimaru compares to Tobirama. I don't remember any statements comparing them, but if there is one I'd appreciate it if you shared it. It'll be helpful in scaling Prime Orochimaru.
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All the Edo Tensei Kabuto summoned were nerfed (as Edo Tensei are nerfed) and he couldn't even control half of them. He definitely couldn't control Madara, but Madara wanted to do what he wanted without being held by them. Plus Kabuto had all the nature energy in the world at his disposal, plus Hashirama cells.

Tobirama said that since Orochimaru made him stronger, he wouldn't be able to hold him. Orochimaru then holds him with ease and Tobirama says it's because of the Hashirama cells, which boost physical energy, and that most of his body was composed of them.
 
KingTempest said:
All the Edo Tensei Kabuto summoned were nerfed (as Edo Tensei are nerfed) and he couldn't even control half of them. He definitely couldn't control Madara, but Madara wanted to do what he wanted without being held by them. Plus Kabuto had all the nature energy in the world at his disposal, plus Hashirama cells.
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He controlled all the previous Kage (most notably the 3rd Raikage), Itachi, Nagato, the 7 great swordsman of the Mist, and many more. He never attempted to control Madara, but yes that would've obviously ended about as well as Hashirama. In any case, he is definitely not stronger than all of these people, which is made even more evident by his performance against Itachi where he fought Kabuto evenly. I can see Kabuto being comparable to or even slightly superior to a lot of the characters I mentioned, but certainly not ALL of them combined.
 
KingTempest said:
  1. Sakura: Physically stronger than Naruto and Kakashi
  2. Kakashi:
    1. Part 1: Matched Shark Bomb with Kisame
    2. Part 2: Fought Hidan hand in hand
    3. Blocked Kakuzu's lightning style
  3. Neji destroys 30% Kisame's Water Sphere
  4. 6th Gate Might Guy violates 30% Kisame
  5. All the Sannin scale to each other
  6. Gaara's sand scales above Deidara's dura and his AP (crushed his arm, tanked his explosions)
  7. Kankuro and Temari scale to Sakon/Ukon and Tayuya
    1. Sakon/Ukon and Tayuya scale above Kidomaru (those 2 are the 2 strongest in the sound 4)
    2. Kidomaru scales above KN0 Naruto (Neji states Kidomaru is the strongest opponent he's ever fought, including KN0 Naruto)
  8. Sasuke > KN3 Naruto, scales to Itachi.
    1. Chapter 364 cover page shows CS2 and KN3, so maybe those forms
  9. Non enhanced Suigetsu scales to Partially transformed Jugo (they clashed twice)
  10. Hidan and Kakuzu scale to Kakashi and Asuma (fought them hand in hand)
    1. Hidan cut off regular Kakuzu's arm and fought Kakashi hand in hand
    2. Kakuzu kicks Kakashi into a tree.
  11. Kakuzu tanked Choji's spiked roll.
  12. Obito can block Suigetsu's blade with his bare arm.
  13. Sasori can harm Sakura with iron sand.
  14. Deidara can hurt CS2 Sasuke with large explosive clay
  15. Kisame's main feats are in the next arc so we'll discuss that later
  16. Itachi scales to Hebi Sasuke, w/ Susanoo he scales above Hydra Orochimaru for cutting his heads off
  17. Konan scales to Obito by destroying his arm
  18. Pain scales to Sage Mode (10x+ Base) Jiraiya
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add this to your list if u agree
19. part2 kn0 scale to 30% itachi
20. kn0 physical ap> Deidara's dura
1 2 3 4 5
and 6
remember rasengan didn't hurt him since he use substitution jutsu to replace himself with a clone
+Deidara was hurt by naruto punch
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
He controlled all the previous Kage (most notably the 3rd Raikage), Itachi, Nagato, the 7 great swordsman of the Mist, and many more. He never attempted to control Madara, but yes that would've obviously ended about as well as Hashirama. In any case, he is definitely not stronger than all of these people, which is made even more evident by his performance against Itachi where he fought Kabuto evenly. I can see Kabuto being comparable to or even slightly superior to a lot of the characters I mentioned, but certainly not ALL of them combined.
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Nah I extremely doubt that it works like all of them combined.

Chiyo stated that Kabuto was impressive to hold all of those ninja, and that the jutsu has been boosted from Tobirama's era.
Kabuto used power from Anko's cursed seal, or Orochimaru's power to control the ninja, feat for Orochimaru, a sannin.
Kabuto also admits that he doesn't have full control.
Also Kabuto is stated to have different chakra signature plus Hashirama cells.
 
@LordTracer remember to put for Kankuro Town Level for killing CS2 Sakon, the strongest member of the sound 4
 
KingTempest said:
@LordTracer remember to put for Kankuro Town Level for killing CS2 Sakon, the strongest member of the sound 4
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I just read through the chapter, Sakon was actually in base when Kankurō killed him.

Although if we’re gonna talk upscaling for a bit, should Kimimaro be Town level in base or is ‘At least Small Town level+’ fine?
 
Yall can decide how this feat goes, but he did make CS2 bleed here.
 
Wait hold on... You're splitting Part 2 Naruto into two separate profiles? That won't get confusing...
 
Pre War and Post war.

Naruto doesn't change pre war except getting new transformations and jutsu.
 
i was thinking about pain- should we say that we dont actually see him fight at his best, ever? he is either not fully grouped up, far from nagato, down in in chakra, or even dying lol
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Wait hold on... You're splitting Part 2 Naruto into two separate profiles? That won't get confusing...
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It'll probably be less confusing due to the ridiculous amount of keys/forms that'll be squished into one profile if we keep all of his Part II stats in one profile.
 
Lorenzo.r.2nd said:
i was thinking about pain- should we say that we dont actually see him fight at his best, ever? he is either not fully grouped up, far from nagato, down in in chakra, or even dying lol
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This is true, but since we don't exactly know how much he's nerfed, it probably wouldn't affect his rating unfortunately.
 
Lorenzo.r.2nd said:
_gets stomped by casual hebi sasuke in one arc, fights him evenly in the kage summit later on_ HMMMMMMM
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Check my sandbox, it has a suggestion for the profile's new keys and how it'll look, and tell me what you think.
 
Both Naruto and Sasuke were weakened at that point in the Five Kage Summit btw.
 
Lorenzo.r.2nd said:
_gets stomped by casual hebi sasuke in one arc, fights him evenly in the kage summit later on_ HMMMMMMM
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Naruto was weakened when Hebi Sasuke came to him.
LordTracer said:
Both Naruto and Sasuke were weakened at that point in the Five Kage Summit btw.
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Technically only Naruto was cause of the poison, but fair game
 
point being, naruto is a jonin lvl ninja when they first met in shippuden, sasuke blitz, stomps, etc, him, yamato, sakura, and i think white art ***** no diff. kage summit meeting is them fighting evenly, sasuke is going completely for the kill, while naruto wants to talk him.
naruto in the summit >>> naruto the first time they met in shippuden, not close.

ps was not down in chakra, BUT he was already going blind. i wouldnt go as far to say that he was reaching itachi lvl's here, but it was thereish
 
Lorenzo.r.2nd said:
point being, naruto is a jonin lvl ninja when they first met in shippuden, sasuke blitz, stomps, etc, him, yamato, sakura, and i think white art ***** no diff. kage summit meeting is them fighting evenly, sasuke is going completely for the kill, while naruto wants to talk him.
naruto in the summit >>> naruto the first time they met in shippuden, not close.

ps was not down in chakra, BUT he was already going blind. i wouldnt go as far to say that he was reaching itachi lvl's here, but it was thereish
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Naruto was weakened from the rampage when he first came, and nobody except Yamato was serious at that point since half of them were either scared of Sasuke or still remembering the 13 year old they killed Haku with.

Fujitora from one piece is blind and he drops meteors on people, that's no excuse. Sasuke had much more chakra from being healed by Karin right before the Danzo fight ended while Itachi took a lightning bolt to the back and died from running out of chakra + a sickness.
LordTracer said:
Sasuke is actually stated to have been greatly weakened at the time.
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By Neji??? He's not even a reliable source, HE WASN'T EVEN THERE (no anger towards you), and Sasuke was healed by Karin almost before the fight with Danzo ended. So I don't know what he's talking about.
 
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Blindness isn't stopping a trained ninja from stabbing people
 
Bro Madara had no eyes and he fought 9 bijuu. Sasuke is his reincarnation.

Sasuke had 0 handicaps except his sharingan (which doesn't even make him stronger, it just lets him fight different w/ additional abilities).

Bro look at this psychopath and tell me he looks weaker. Even Karin says he's fine. He was not nerfed in the slightest except his dojutsu, and it wasn't like they had an all out brawl (which would be different), but they just ran at each other.

I know what you mean, but he's perfectly fine.
 
Didn't Naruto claim he wouldn't have been able to beat Sasuke there or am I thinking of something else?
 
KingTempest said:
Bro Madara had no eyes and he fought 9 bijuu. Sasuke is his reincarnation.

Sasuke had 0 handicaps except his sharingan (which doesn't even make him stronger, it just lets him fight different w/ additional abilities).

Bro look at this psychopath and tell me he looks weaker. Even Karin says he's fine. He was not nerfed in the slightest except his dojutsu, and it wasn't like they had an all out brawl (which would be different), but they just ran at each other.

I know what you mean, but he's perfectly fine.
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hmmmmmmm u mind posting some scans for him having 0 handicaps? i know that he wasnt fatigued or anything like that, but i was under the impression he was hurting from his eyes, AND he had some blindness
 
im reading the chapter right now, and boy, did kakashi get there fast. way faster than kiba and co wouldve. good feat for him
 
So, do we have any usable calcs that aren’t on the verse page at the moment?
 
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