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Merry Christmas ya’ll. Yes, I jabaited you, this is game Naruto, not canon Naruto. Gonna end this year with a thread to not only cover the last (possibly) game of the Naruto Storm Series but to also talk about the original Ultimate Ninja Series and as the Ultimate Ninja Heroes and how it’s actually canon.
Part 1
Are the Ultimate Ninja and Heroes Games Canon to the Storm Series
I’m gonna be honest, I was initially not on board with the idea that the series were canon to one another, that was until Sakurai mentioned letters. These letters are important as they directly confirm the events of the story that took place in Ultimate Ninja and Heroes. I’ll do this in a chronological order to make this easy.
Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 2
In this game, we get an original story arc that takes place between the Search for Tsunade and the Sasuke Recovery Mission. In this arc, Orochimaru has Kabuto use a technique called the Forbidden Technique: Gedō Seal to seal Kakashi's Sharingan. Orochimaru then starts his second invasion on Konoha and uses Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation to revive Zabuza Momochi, Haku, and the Third Hokage. This would cause no continuity errors.
Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Heroes 2: The Phantom Fortress
Takes place after Sasuke Recovery Mission and before Naruto’s departure, the game contains an original storyline involving moving up a haunted castle through the eyes of Naruto, and for a certain amount of floors, called the Mugen Castle in the sky and has a hundred floors. What’s important about this arc is the main antagonist turned protagonist, Princess Kasumi who controls the Mugen Castle. After her death by the end of the game, Naruto would receive letters all the way in Storm 2 from Kasumi. Naruto’s response suggests this is the same Kasumi from Heroes 2 as he mentions the events.
Naruto Shippūden: Ultimate Ninja 4
Takes place months before the Kazekage Rescue Mission. To experience the main Shippūden story, the players must complete an original storyline called The Black Shadow. The storyline is fairly long, and at the end of it they have to defeat the Black Shadow himself to move onto the main Shippūden storyline. In this arc, Naruto helps out a girl named Aoi, who is trying to cure her mother. By the end of the arc, Naruto promises to send letters to her, and what do you know as again in Storm 2, Naruto directly mentions the events that took place.
Naruto Shippūden: Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3
Takes place between the "Hidan and Kakuzu" and "The Formation of Hebi" arcs. It revolves around Naruto trying to stop a man named Shinga from using a forbidden seed, called the "Demon Shinki". In this arc, we learn that in between the timeskip Naruto was trained for a time by a shinobi called Tsukino, who was brainwashed by Shinga but later saved by Naruto. She also sends Naruto letters in Storm 2.
Slight Downgrade
A lot of characters scale to High 6-A due to statements of Mecha-Naruto in his Kyubi Mode who Was stated as being a threat to the Ninja World. However, after some considerations, the time between the awakening of his Kyubi Mode and his battle with Naruto was long, Naruto had time to not only search for Mecha-Naruto, but also fought multiple Kage. So with this, we know that Mecha-Naruto wasn’t going to surface wipe in one hit, especially since Tsunade states that he is already wreaking havoc. This would more so imply that Mecha-Naruto could only surface wipe over-time instead of all at once. So Possibly High 6-A will be removed.
Conclusion
The letters outright mention the events that take place in the Ultimate Ninja and Heroes games, with these letters being sent by the same characters that played a major role in these games. So all the games of Ultimate Ninja and Heroes are canon to the Storm Series. So feats like Ultimate Jutsu and hax from these games can be used. And with this, I would also propose changing Game Naruto’s profile name to Naruto Uzumaki (Ultimate Ninja Series) or Naruto Uzumaki (Ultimate Ninja), whichever you would prefer, as all the games fall under the Ultimate Ninja title. Also adding all the games together makes up 15 keys, which don’t need to be added as a lot of the later games main story are just remasters. So I suggest just having only 5 keys.
Young (Ultimate Ninja 1-3 / Ultimate Ninja Heroes 1-2 / Ultimate Ninja Storm 1) | Teen (Ultimate Ninja 4-5 / Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 / Ultimate Ninja Storm 2-Generations) | Fourth Shinobi War (Ultimate Ninja Storm 3-4) | Six Paths (Ultimate Ninja Storm 4) | Adult (Road To Boruto-Connections)
Part 2
Naruto x Boruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm Connections
As per the developers words this might be the last entry in the Storm Series and there have been talks of rebooting the whole series with entirely new game engines. If that’s so, then we had one hell of a run. Now what does the game add to the scaling? I feel like I’ll first need to summarize the story for people to understand the context.
Story
The game has two modes, one is History Mode and the other is Special Story Mode. In History Mode, Spirit Hagoromo and Spirit Jiraiya have to weave the foundation of the Naruto timeline after it had been erased from the Book of Transcendence. They are able to do so by creating another book to serve at its foundation called the Book of Foundation. This is important because in the Special Story, Toneri helps Boruto travel to the past by creating a gate that allows Boruto to access the past, once for collecting memories, and the other to change the past and rewrite the timeline.
The Book of Transcendence
At the start of the game, we see that all of Ninja History is being erased. This is what Hagoromo says word for word, "A calamity has befallen the river of time. An incident affecting the course of human history. That is to say... the erasure of history. A Ninja World with no history is no Ninja World. A Ninja World with no history is devoid of humanity. The Book Of Transcendence which you composed long ago now lies forgotten and unknown. History must be resurrected. Yet to accomplish this, we require a foundation whereupon its path will be retraced. Therefore, we shall weave this foundation together. We must once again set to paper the verses of this long-forgotten book."
In the video I provided above, we learn that the entirety of the Naruto timeline exists within the Book of Transcendence, and when the book faces a calamity, history is completely erased. This is similar to Storm 4, where the story takes place in a scroll.
The game also confirms that you’re restoring history.
The Book of Foundation
The Book of Foundation was created by both Hagoromo and Jiraiya to restore history and serve as its foundation as Hagoromo states that they must “weave the foundation together”. Hagoromo says this after they successfully restore history, "History's foundation has been restored. The Book of Foundation is the key to our salvation. Well done. You have carried out an important duty. The Legendary Sannin, Jiraiya. There is a thing which only one who has woven history might understand. One connected to the past, beginning with the dawn of time... One who continues to shape the present. That is to say, ninja history is a tale with that individual at its center. The time has come to complete the tale. Write the title now. A title reflecting your heart's desire, held deep within your soul."
From this, we learn that history is restored by creating foundations. Foundations by definition is the base on which something stands, and there are foundations in certain points in time in both the past and the present on which the timeline stands. If the story is broken (a certain character dies early), Hagoromo comes to revive them, meaning all the Shinobi who exist within the Book are reliant on Hagoromo, not just Naruto and Sasuke, as even when other characters fall in Storm 4, Hagoromo came to resurrect them. This is further backed up later in the story, when Boruto is able to travel to the past at different points in time within the Book of Foundation. And the game’s objective also acknowledges that Boruto is actually going into the past.
The Naruto Cosmology
You may have noticed that I used the term ‘timeline’ a lot, this is because when Toneri explains the rules of time travel and time paradoxes, it's stated that Boruto would be following the timeline. This is further shown by the ending of the game, after history is rewritten, due to Zero not having Nanashi on their side anymore, they are easily captured and all the events of the Special Story get retconned with everyone having no memory of the Fifth Great Ninja War. So not only is the Naruto universe outright stated to be a timeline, but history does get rewritten and changes the whole timeline due to the laws of time paradox. So the Naruto universe is a space-time continuum contained within the Book of Transcendence with its foundations contained within the Book of Foundation. Hagoromo consistently calls the Naruto Universe “Ninja History”.
The Pure Lands
The afterlife in a nutshell, but there is more to it. The realm and its inhabitants (the souls of the dead) exist on a plane that views the Book of Transcendence and Book of Foundation as merely fiction as its referred to as a tale, as both Hagoromo and Jiraiya as spirits can hold the books in their hands and Jiraiya stated to have composed the Book of Transcendence long ago. This would outright make The Pure Lands and Spirit Hagoromo and Spirit Jiraiya Low 1-C as they qualify for Reality-Fiction Transcendence. They are also outright unaffected by the erasure of the Naruto timeline. We also know that these spirits are the same souls as the one within humans as Kabuto planned to seal Princess Kasumi’s soul into a scroll to prevent her from going to the afterlife.
Time Reservoir
A parallel Genjutsu space, where it was possible to travel through time. It’s a space parallel to the Ninja Heroes world, which is actually a Tsukuyomi. By using the console, ninjas can enter Ninja Heroes by having their minds travel to the Tsukuyomi and create mental bodies of them. Sasuke states that the transfer of the mind makes the user immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi. The mental bodies of the new gen Team 7 along with Toneri view the Book of Foundation as a book. Toneri is able to summon the book and create a doorway that allows Boruto to enter the book to change the past. Be aware, this would only scale to mental bodies and the Time Reservoir, and make them Low 1-C as well.
Scaling
Spirit Hagoromo gave half his power to Naruto and Sasuke each, which in turn should make them Low 1-C as well. Due to the nature of the mind and soul, characters being able to affect either would have Low 1-C mind or soul hax.
Or
In case the cosmology doesn’t qualify for the Reality-Fiction Transcendence, Naruto and Sasuke would instead scale to Hagoromo’s AP feat of creating foundations that can hold and restore an entire timeline, so they would be Low 2-C. Kaguya’s ETSB is stated by Black Zetsu as being able to destroy Shinobi History, which as stated before, is what Hagoromo refers to the Naruto Universe as. The only other time where Shinobi History is stated to be in danger is when history was erased, making it consistent
Possibly Speed Scaling
This one, I need confirmation from the wiki. I want to know if, besides his state of existence, Hagoromo’s feat of creating foundations would scale to his speed or not. If it does, Naruto and Sasuke would scale to that feat.
Extras
The game has its own official Encyclopedia, which can be used for getting proper information on some jutsu. Like some attacks being stated as being lightning speed or light speed. This is useful as besides Kirin and the Gedo Statue’s cloud to ground lightning attacks, the game doesn’t have any speed statements.
Thanks to the Encyclopedia confirming that the Lariat used by both Killer Bee and the Raikage is lightning speed, we get this calc, that puts KCM1 level characters at FTL.
Conclusion
Well, that will be it, it took a lot of time since I didn’t own any copy of the game (I’m out of the country as well) and had to rely on videos and prayed to God that someone would upload the entire Encyclopedia. I have presented arguments that support Low 2-C to even Low 1-C and based on the discussion we have, we can come to a proper conclusion of what can be applied. I have sandboxes of Sasuke, Boruto and Hagoromo ready to be released, and I’ll make changes on their ratings based on the conclusion of our discussion. Since the topic is Tier 1, I hope I get the chance to reply to any arguments that will be presented.
Part 1
Are the Ultimate Ninja and Heroes Games Canon to the Storm Series
I’m gonna be honest, I was initially not on board with the idea that the series were canon to one another, that was until Sakurai mentioned letters. These letters are important as they directly confirm the events of the story that took place in Ultimate Ninja and Heroes. I’ll do this in a chronological order to make this easy.
Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 2
In this game, we get an original story arc that takes place between the Search for Tsunade and the Sasuke Recovery Mission. In this arc, Orochimaru has Kabuto use a technique called the Forbidden Technique: Gedō Seal to seal Kakashi's Sharingan. Orochimaru then starts his second invasion on Konoha and uses Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation to revive Zabuza Momochi, Haku, and the Third Hokage. This would cause no continuity errors.
Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Heroes 2: The Phantom Fortress
Takes place after Sasuke Recovery Mission and before Naruto’s departure, the game contains an original storyline involving moving up a haunted castle through the eyes of Naruto, and for a certain amount of floors, called the Mugen Castle in the sky and has a hundred floors. What’s important about this arc is the main antagonist turned protagonist, Princess Kasumi who controls the Mugen Castle. After her death by the end of the game, Naruto would receive letters all the way in Storm 2 from Kasumi. Naruto’s response suggests this is the same Kasumi from Heroes 2 as he mentions the events.
Naruto Shippūden: Ultimate Ninja 4
Takes place months before the Kazekage Rescue Mission. To experience the main Shippūden story, the players must complete an original storyline called The Black Shadow. The storyline is fairly long, and at the end of it they have to defeat the Black Shadow himself to move onto the main Shippūden storyline. In this arc, Naruto helps out a girl named Aoi, who is trying to cure her mother. By the end of the arc, Naruto promises to send letters to her, and what do you know as again in Storm 2, Naruto directly mentions the events that took place.
Naruto Shippūden: Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3
Takes place between the "Hidan and Kakuzu" and "The Formation of Hebi" arcs. It revolves around Naruto trying to stop a man named Shinga from using a forbidden seed, called the "Demon Shinki". In this arc, we learn that in between the timeskip Naruto was trained for a time by a shinobi called Tsukino, who was brainwashed by Shinga but later saved by Naruto. She also sends Naruto letters in Storm 2.
Slight Downgrade
A lot of characters scale to High 6-A due to statements of Mecha-Naruto in his Kyubi Mode who Was stated as being a threat to the Ninja World. However, after some considerations, the time between the awakening of his Kyubi Mode and his battle with Naruto was long, Naruto had time to not only search for Mecha-Naruto, but also fought multiple Kage. So with this, we know that Mecha-Naruto wasn’t going to surface wipe in one hit, especially since Tsunade states that he is already wreaking havoc. This would more so imply that Mecha-Naruto could only surface wipe over-time instead of all at once. So Possibly High 6-A will be removed.
Conclusion
The letters outright mention the events that take place in the Ultimate Ninja and Heroes games, with these letters being sent by the same characters that played a major role in these games. So all the games of Ultimate Ninja and Heroes are canon to the Storm Series. So feats like Ultimate Jutsu and hax from these games can be used. And with this, I would also propose changing Game Naruto’s profile name to Naruto Uzumaki (Ultimate Ninja Series) or Naruto Uzumaki (Ultimate Ninja), whichever you would prefer, as all the games fall under the Ultimate Ninja title. Also adding all the games together makes up 15 keys, which don’t need to be added as a lot of the later games main story are just remasters. So I suggest just having only 5 keys.
Young (Ultimate Ninja 1-3 / Ultimate Ninja Heroes 1-2 / Ultimate Ninja Storm 1) | Teen (Ultimate Ninja 4-5 / Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 / Ultimate Ninja Storm 2-Generations) | Fourth Shinobi War (Ultimate Ninja Storm 3-4) | Six Paths (Ultimate Ninja Storm 4) | Adult (Road To Boruto-Connections)
Part 2
Naruto x Boruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm Connections
As per the developers words this might be the last entry in the Storm Series and there have been talks of rebooting the whole series with entirely new game engines. If that’s so, then we had one hell of a run. Now what does the game add to the scaling? I feel like I’ll first need to summarize the story for people to understand the context.
Story
The game has two modes, one is History Mode and the other is Special Story Mode. In History Mode, Spirit Hagoromo and Spirit Jiraiya have to weave the foundation of the Naruto timeline after it had been erased from the Book of Transcendence. They are able to do so by creating another book to serve at its foundation called the Book of Foundation. This is important because in the Special Story, Toneri helps Boruto travel to the past by creating a gate that allows Boruto to access the past, once for collecting memories, and the other to change the past and rewrite the timeline.
The Book of Transcendence
At the start of the game, we see that all of Ninja History is being erased. This is what Hagoromo says word for word, "A calamity has befallen the river of time. An incident affecting the course of human history. That is to say... the erasure of history. A Ninja World with no history is no Ninja World. A Ninja World with no history is devoid of humanity. The Book Of Transcendence which you composed long ago now lies forgotten and unknown. History must be resurrected. Yet to accomplish this, we require a foundation whereupon its path will be retraced. Therefore, we shall weave this foundation together. We must once again set to paper the verses of this long-forgotten book."
In the video I provided above, we learn that the entirety of the Naruto timeline exists within the Book of Transcendence, and when the book faces a calamity, history is completely erased. This is similar to Storm 4, where the story takes place in a scroll.
The game also confirms that you’re restoring history.
The Book of Foundation
The Book of Foundation was created by both Hagoromo and Jiraiya to restore history and serve as its foundation as Hagoromo states that they must “weave the foundation together”. Hagoromo says this after they successfully restore history, "History's foundation has been restored. The Book of Foundation is the key to our salvation. Well done. You have carried out an important duty. The Legendary Sannin, Jiraiya. There is a thing which only one who has woven history might understand. One connected to the past, beginning with the dawn of time... One who continues to shape the present. That is to say, ninja history is a tale with that individual at its center. The time has come to complete the tale. Write the title now. A title reflecting your heart's desire, held deep within your soul."
From this, we learn that history is restored by creating foundations. Foundations by definition is the base on which something stands, and there are foundations in certain points in time in both the past and the present on which the timeline stands. If the story is broken (a certain character dies early), Hagoromo comes to revive them, meaning all the Shinobi who exist within the Book are reliant on Hagoromo, not just Naruto and Sasuke, as even when other characters fall in Storm 4, Hagoromo came to resurrect them. This is further backed up later in the story, when Boruto is able to travel to the past at different points in time within the Book of Foundation. And the game’s objective also acknowledges that Boruto is actually going into the past.
The Naruto Cosmology
You may have noticed that I used the term ‘timeline’ a lot, this is because when Toneri explains the rules of time travel and time paradoxes, it's stated that Boruto would be following the timeline. This is further shown by the ending of the game, after history is rewritten, due to Zero not having Nanashi on their side anymore, they are easily captured and all the events of the Special Story get retconned with everyone having no memory of the Fifth Great Ninja War. So not only is the Naruto universe outright stated to be a timeline, but history does get rewritten and changes the whole timeline due to the laws of time paradox. So the Naruto universe is a space-time continuum contained within the Book of Transcendence with its foundations contained within the Book of Foundation. Hagoromo consistently calls the Naruto Universe “Ninja History”.
The Pure Lands
The afterlife in a nutshell, but there is more to it. The realm and its inhabitants (the souls of the dead) exist on a plane that views the Book of Transcendence and Book of Foundation as merely fiction as its referred to as a tale, as both Hagoromo and Jiraiya as spirits can hold the books in their hands and Jiraiya stated to have composed the Book of Transcendence long ago. This would outright make The Pure Lands and Spirit Hagoromo and Spirit Jiraiya Low 1-C as they qualify for Reality-Fiction Transcendence. They are also outright unaffected by the erasure of the Naruto timeline. We also know that these spirits are the same souls as the one within humans as Kabuto planned to seal Princess Kasumi’s soul into a scroll to prevent her from going to the afterlife.
Time Reservoir
A parallel Genjutsu space, where it was possible to travel through time. It’s a space parallel to the Ninja Heroes world, which is actually a Tsukuyomi. By using the console, ninjas can enter Ninja Heroes by having their minds travel to the Tsukuyomi and create mental bodies of them. Sasuke states that the transfer of the mind makes the user immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi. The mental bodies of the new gen Team 7 along with Toneri view the Book of Foundation as a book. Toneri is able to summon the book and create a doorway that allows Boruto to enter the book to change the past. Be aware, this would only scale to mental bodies and the Time Reservoir, and make them Low 1-C as well.
Scaling
Spirit Hagoromo gave half his power to Naruto and Sasuke each, which in turn should make them Low 1-C as well. Due to the nature of the mind and soul, characters being able to affect either would have Low 1-C mind or soul hax.
Or
In case the cosmology doesn’t qualify for the Reality-Fiction Transcendence, Naruto and Sasuke would instead scale to Hagoromo’s AP feat of creating foundations that can hold and restore an entire timeline, so they would be Low 2-C. Kaguya’s ETSB is stated by Black Zetsu as being able to destroy Shinobi History, which as stated before, is what Hagoromo refers to the Naruto Universe as. The only other time where Shinobi History is stated to be in danger is when history was erased, making it consistent
Possibly Speed Scaling
This one, I need confirmation from the wiki. I want to know if, besides his state of existence, Hagoromo’s feat of creating foundations would scale to his speed or not. If it does, Naruto and Sasuke would scale to that feat.
Extras
The game has its own official Encyclopedia, which can be used for getting proper information on some jutsu. Like some attacks being stated as being lightning speed or light speed. This is useful as besides Kirin and the Gedo Statue’s cloud to ground lightning attacks, the game doesn’t have any speed statements.
Thanks to the Encyclopedia confirming that the Lariat used by both Killer Bee and the Raikage is lightning speed, we get this calc, that puts KCM1 level characters at FTL.
Conclusion
Well, that will be it, it took a lot of time since I didn’t own any copy of the game (I’m out of the country as well) and had to rely on videos and prayed to God that someone would upload the entire Encyclopedia. I have presented arguments that support Low 2-C to even Low 1-C and based on the discussion we have, we can come to a proper conclusion of what can be applied. I have sandboxes of Sasuke, Boruto and Hagoromo ready to be released, and I’ll make changes on their ratings based on the conclusion of our discussion. Since the topic is Tier 1, I hope I get the chance to reply to any arguments that will be presented.
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