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Why is a Databook passage from almost 8 years ago(secondary canon) more valid than exposition from almost 2 years ago(main cannon)?
Would this not be a retcon? The recent explanation also makes way more sense..
Why is a Databook passage from almost 8 years ago(secondary canon) more valid than exposition from almost 2 years ago(main cannon)?
Would this not be a retcon? The recent explanation also makes way more sense..
no, because two of those scans literally come from the manga.
> Do you have a scan that says this specifically?? preferably after the Madara explanation....
it's the most logical conclusion we can infer based on what we know, either that or Hags literally gave people chakra
That's directly going against what Madara said though. It's very clear cut
" Something that would connect the mental energies between people...">>That something is Ninshu/Ninja creed
Uhh no? the post you're literally referring to says that it’s the chakra that spread that was meant to link people, the something in the sentence here is literally referring to what's established at the start, that's because it’s literally part of the same explanation.
An equivalent explanation would be the gunpowder that the six paths dispersed was meant for fireworks, Something that would bring joy and happiness to the people, yet time after time humans did not use it to create joy but to fuel weapons of war.
"And yet time after time , people used chakra not to connect with others,but only to link the mental and physical energies within themselves">>Chakra is used interchangeably for mental energy. Unless I am missing something…
It isn't your conflating the ability to do something with chakra with being chakra itself.
"As a way to amplify and greatly increase the volume of one's chakra">>>The addition of physical energy is said to amplify something that was already there(Chakra/mental energy)
Yes because instead of using the chakra to connect they increased the total amount of chakra for ninjutsu.
You cannot amplify something that was not already there and there was no mention of creation anywhere.
You can amplify something after the fact.
not really, as ill cover right after this, spiritual= mental which is covered within the same scan you sent me.
>Mental energy not spiritual energy…
Ahhh okay, this makes much more sense, I'm partially to blame as I've just been posting scans that i already had on my PC instead of making sure they are from the same source.
But mental energy and spiritual energy are the same thing, they are used interchangeably within the series, the Kanji that's being translated can mean both, so translations often differ, Viz has chosen to use mental which likely makes a bit more sense given the idea that “spiritual energy is improved through studying” however a ton of the supporting media still uses the term spiritual energy, however, I digress all you need to know is that they referring to the same function. if this confused you then you would be justified and I apologize for not clarifying.
No one has ever trained to create chakra.
This is false,theres a variety of statements and scans within this thread and the OP that would argue this is impossible.
Mixing the 2 grants more volume and it makes chakra manipulation possible(as per the madara explanation)
The Chakra manipulation that Madara is talking about is the act of creating chakra
The statement I made is incorrect, this is a typo on my part as I was writing that response while in a rush, what i mean was Physical and Spiritual energy.
The second part is untrue, it’s mentioned whenever chakra creation is mentioned.
>It was moreso a reply to this general sentiment(below⬇⬇⬇)in which it it implied that chakra was not needed or that regular humans did not have any.
I feel like you kinda skimmed my OP here.
“normal people in naruto do not passively have large amounts of chakra flowing through them, specifically not the amounts that are needed for genjutsu”
“they don't have it running through their system 24/7, at best they have small amounts located at their center”
This is because chakra needs to be created first and then distributed to the rest of the body and it’s created within the centre by every graph within the series.
>These events basically also took place not too long ago. What you're insinuating would be considered a plothole.
It’s stated within the series to have happened a millennium ago
>This graph is also severely outdated. Unless there is a reason that we would take this over literally anything that was explained after it.....
Because it hasn't been contradicted.
>Proof for this? Cause the story disagrees.
Not a single thing there contradicts what I said, explaining the function of the chakra system does not contradict that chakra is made, it’s explaining a delivery system. If one has to create all their chakra from within the body then you cannot have chakra flowing prior to the act of its creation.
I would suggest not straw-manning me.
“as a reference, this is how shinobi look when they are not focusing chakra in specific parts]”
Chakra is being focused here because it’s at the inception of a jutsu, the point I was making with this is that normal people at a baseline level would not have the requirements to concentrate and flow chakra as freely as Shinobi because they would less chakra to work with.
>Because the story says so or at least heavily implies it....
It really doesn't.
It’s literally within the OP, we already established that chakra needs to be created, after that if Shinobi want to focus their chakra into specific parts of their body, they need to focus their flow of chakra into those areas, the more chakra somebody wants then the more they have to focus on that part.
>What are you even inferring this from? We have scans of "The endlessly annoying gardening" in which we can see the siphoning of chakra only happening to the populace..
The end result of this IT is no different from the one that Amado explained. Just different methods.
No?, the God of the Nativity Trees has an entirely different function, it traps the victims within a genjutsu to keep them alive as an energy source and then turns them into white zetsu.
The divine tree’s literally suck up all life on a planet and leaves a wasteland behind, it does not simply just suck up chakra, but all of nature the latter isn't made out of chakra.
Hopefully this clears enough up but
After all, this, if you are still not convinced then we will have to agree to disagree because I can't really afford to spend so much time on a part of the CRT that affects the conclusion the least.
> Do you have a scan that says this specifically?? preferably after the Madara explanation....
it's the most logical conclusion we can infer based on what we know, either that or Hags literally gave people chakra
That's directly going against what Madara said though. It's very clear cut
" Something that would connect the mental energies between people...">>That something is Ninshu/Ninja creed
Uhh no? the post you're literally referring to says that it’s the chakra that spread that was meant to link people, the something in the sentence here is literally referring to what's established at the start, that's because it’s literally part of the same explanation.
An equivalent explanation would be the gunpowder that the six paths dispersed was meant for fireworks, Something that would bring joy and happiness to the people, yet time after time humans did not use it to create joy but to fuel weapons of war.
"And yet time after time , people used chakra not to connect with others,but only to link the mental and physical energies within themselves">>Chakra is used interchangeably for mental energy. Unless I am missing something…
It isn't your conflating the ability to do something with chakra with being chakra itself.
"As a way to amplify and greatly increase the volume of one's chakra">>>The addition of physical energy is said to amplify something that was already there(Chakra/mental energy)
Yes because instead of using the chakra to connect they increased the total amount of chakra for ninjutsu.
You cannot amplify something that was not already there and there was no mention of creation anywhere.
You can amplify something after the fact.
not really, as ill cover right after this, spiritual= mental which is covered within the same scan you sent me.
>Mental energy not spiritual energy…
Ahhh okay, this makes much more sense, I'm partially to blame as I've just been posting scans that i already had on my PC instead of making sure they are from the same source.
But mental energy and spiritual energy are the same thing, they are used interchangeably within the series, the Kanji that's being translated can mean both, so translations often differ, Viz has chosen to use mental which likely makes a bit more sense given the idea that “spiritual energy is improved through studying” however a ton of the supporting media still uses the term spiritual energy, however, I digress all you need to know is that they referring to the same function. if this confused you then you would be justified and I apologize for not clarifying.
No one has ever trained to create chakra.
This is false,theres a variety of statements and scans within this thread and the OP that would argue this is impossible.
Mixing the 2 grants more volume and it makes chakra manipulation possible(as per the madara explanation)
The Chakra manipulation that Madara is talking about is the act of creating chakra
The statement I made is incorrect, this is a typo on my part as I was writing that response while in a rush, what i mean was Physical and Spiritual energy.
The second part is untrue, it’s mentioned whenever chakra creation is mentioned.
>It was moreso a reply to this general sentiment(below⬇⬇⬇)in which it it implied that chakra was not needed or that regular humans did not have any.
I feel like you kinda skimmed my OP here.
“normal people in naruto do not passively have large amounts of chakra flowing through them, specifically not the amounts that are needed for genjutsu”
“they don't have it running through their system 24/7, at best they have small amounts located at their center”
This is because chakra needs to be created first and then distributed to the rest of the body and it’s created within the centre by every graph within the series.
>These events basically also took place not too long ago. What you're insinuating would be considered a plothole.
It’s stated within the series to have happened a millennium ago
>This graph is also severely outdated. Unless there is a reason that we would take this over literally anything that was explained after it.....
Because it hasn't been contradicted.
>Proof for this? Cause the story disagrees.
Not a single thing there contradicts what I said, explaining the function of the chakra system does not contradict that chakra is made, it’s explaining a delivery system. If one has to create all their chakra from within the body then you cannot have chakra flowing prior to the act of its creation.
I would suggest not straw-manning me.
“as a reference, this is how shinobi look when they are not focusing chakra in specific parts]”
Chakra is being focused here because it’s at the inception of a jutsu, the point I was making with this is that normal people at a baseline level would not have the requirements to concentrate and flow chakra as freely as Shinobi because they would less chakra to work with.
>Because the story says so or at least heavily implies it....
It really doesn't.
It’s literally within the OP, we already established that chakra needs to be created, after that if Shinobi want to focus their chakra into specific parts of their body, they need to focus their flow of chakra into those areas, the more chakra somebody wants then the more they have to focus on that part.
>What are you even inferring this from? We have scans of "The endlessly annoying gardening" in which we can see the siphoning of chakra only happening to the populace..
The end result of this IT is no different from the one that Amado explained. Just different methods.
No?, the God of the Nativity Trees has an entirely different function, it traps the victims within a genjutsu to keep them alive as an energy source and then turns them into white zetsu.
The divine tree’s literally suck up all life on a planet and leaves a wasteland behind, it does not simply just suck up chakra, but all of nature the latter isn't made out of chakra.
Hopefully this clears enough up but
After all, this, if you are still not convinced then we will have to agree to disagree because I can't really afford to spend so much time on a part of the CRT that affects the conclusion the least.
