Naruto God Tiers Downgrade

[Damage3245]

This might be a bit of an obvious-answer question, but out of curiousity do Naruto or Sasuke display anything close to 5-B after the War was over?

What is their most impressive feat/calc after the war?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

We know for a fact the Chakra was used for the Jutsu, which was Hagoromo's chakra and jutsu. OP never denied them receiving power.

They lost the seals which went back to Hagoromo's individual palms, how could they still have that power if it was all used to seal her?

 

[Rocker1189]

This might be a bit of an obvious-answer question, but out of curiousity do Naruto or Sasuke display anything close to 5-B after the War was over?
What is their most impressive feat/calc after the war?

Naruto oneshotted a guy who was Low 5-B for slicing a moon. And had calcsranging from Low 5-B to 5-B for pushing the moon towards the planet.

Directly after the was the caused the tree that Madara spread throughout the entire planet, to fall. That currently has calcs ranging from Low 5-B to 5-B.

 

[BlackeJan]

Its been like 9 hours since Imade's last response, so presumably he went to sleep or something. Give him some time to post some counter-arguments. Its also not like everyone who agreed with the downgrades are unfamiliar with the series.

While that is true most likely everyone with a rebuttal or from IMade is going to say the same thing. I do believe we should wait for his return but just saying that's what's going to happen

 

[TataHakai]

This might be a bit of an obvious-answer question, but out of curiousity do Naruto or Sasuke display anything close to 5-B after the War was over?
What is their most impressive feat/calc after the war?

Fighting Fused Momoshiki who is stated to be across multiple mediums superior to Kaguya in her prime who is 5-B

besides that there's some Low 5-B feats such as Naruto defeating Toneri, Overpowering GWR, destroying a tenseigan shield with low 5-B durability

As for Sasuke, same as Naruto, but he really doesn't have any feats to go off, more so that he's stated to be equal to Naruto

 

[Rocker1189]

We know for a fact the Chakra was used for the Jutsu, which was Hagoromo's chakra and jutsu. OP never denied them receiving power.
They lost the seals which went back to Hagoromo's individual palms, how could they still have that power if it was all used to seal her?

What they lost was the ability to form the seal again, not their powers. Or Sasuke would have lost his rinnengan.

 

[AstralKing7]

THe Chakra given to them is mostly allocated to the hand with the seals which was used to perform the Jutsu, which can clearly be seen in the Kaguya scan above in the OP.

No actually what was sensed is the Yin and Yang signs

That's why KAguya was able to easily distinguish who they were. Also Imade has the prove that what Kaguya was actually sensing wasn't the yin and yang nature. Even black Zetsu brought up that the yin and yang nature is what allowed Naruto and Sasuke to find each other when separated across dimensions

 

[AstralKing7]

The chakra allocated to them is the "power" that Hagoromo previously gave Ashura and neglected from Indra, unless we're going to sit here and say Ashura also got six paths chibaku tensei which makes no sense.

The power also stayed with them beyond the sealing and was never supposed to be solely for the sealing, it's literally the reason why Hagoromo asked them what they would do with their powers AFTER the war.

This!!! Guys u gotta literally read through the final battle to understand the context behind. Like Hag said he wasn't gonna make the same mistake of giving only one of them power. They kept it and Hag was even disappointed when Sasuke chooses to use his power for something besides peace after Kaguya was sealed

 

[BMWFanboy]

This thread should be closed till IMade wishes to type in a counter, it's getting cluttered for no reason

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This might be a bit of an obvious-answer question, but out of curiousity do Naruto or Sasuke display anything close to 5-B after the War was over?
What is their most impressive feat/calc after the war?

Naruto oneshotted a guy who was Low 5-B for slicing a moon. And had calcsranging from Low 5-B to 5-B for pushing the moon towards the planet.
Directly after the was the caused the tree that Madara spread throughout the entire planet, to fall. That currently has calcs ranging from Low 5-B to 5-B.

... Then why is the downgrade to 7-A of all things being argued.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Because of the fight with the Kage in the manga.

 

[Rocker1189]

@Matt that is something that Shadow is doing his massive CRT for, I suggest that we wait for that.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

The seal doesn't have anything do with the Rinnegan though like at all. So why would he lose his Rinnegan?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Also Imade has the prove that what Kaguya was actually sensing wasn't the yin and yang nature.

Sure, but he can't do that if people end up wasting the remaining 45-48 comments (Which, i know, includes this one as well). So I say wait for another 8-12 hours for a response. If he doesn't give one in the time frame then continue with @TataHakai suggestion or something. Because if people keep writing stuff a new thread will have to be made or this one will be preemptively closed.

EDIT: Now its down to 39 comments. Please just wait until he gives a response or close this temporarily.

 

[AstralKing7]

Because a certain someone doesn't know difference between PIS and WIS and this certain someone is hailed to be Naruto verse best knowledgeable member ƒñªÔÇìÔÖé´©Å

 

[Rocker1189]

The seal doesn't have anything do with the Rinnegan though like at all. So why would he lose his Rinnegan?

rinnengan is tied to his power. And yes the seal is not tied to his rinnengan which is exactly our point. The sage gave them his power, the rinnengan and SPSM and he gave them the sun and moon seals which is seperate.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Most of those calcs aren't even accepted nor got reviewed.

@Astral

The chakra is literally in the seal Astral, why do you think it has the appearance like it's brimming with energy? The dominate arms are completely lit up.

 

[TataHakai]

The seal doesn't have anything do with the Rinnegan though like at all. So why would he lose his Rinnegan?

The "power" Hagoromo gave allowed Sasuke to unlock rinnegan, if the power was simply for the seal then it'd make no sense for the rinnegan to stay once the seal disappeared, assuming Imade was right and the seal is = the power that hagoromo gave them, the rinnegan would disappear once the power did right? Except it stayed beyond that because the seal has nothing to do with the innate power given to them by Hagoromo

 

[TataHakai]

Anyways let's let Imade respond.

 

[AstralKing7]

All of Toneris calcs are accepted lol

Of course the chakra is in the seal when the hand has a chakra point in it. Its shown brimming with energy because Kaguya was alerted to the Yin and Yang power in them awakened.


Also even then the chakra didn't leave. Hag even said after Kaguya was defeated that he may have made the wrong choice giving Sasuke power

 

[AstralKing7]

Anyways let's let Imade respond.

Your right

Does anyone have the official translation of the scan I posted

 

[Adam_of_darkness]

This might be a bit of an obvious-answer question, but out of curiousity do Naruto or Sasuke display anything close to 5-B after the War was over?
What is their most impressive feat/calc after the war?

Only "feat" which was worth quantifying is toneri's, which KCM Naruto has tanked and oneshotted, while half of kurama was out fighting a golem.

Vote counting shouldn't go over factual evidence of the series. Personal headcanon and belief and a majority support coming from people who haven't read the series and probably went "TL;DR" on the OP shouldn't count.

The only thing which should count are the factual evidence and the arguments brought over by the people. Anyone can share the thread elsewhere on Discord or Hangouts or Facebook or Google+ (Well, could) groups and go "Hey gang gimme support!!!11"

Few people can actually argue their point.

This is what I wanted to hear so this is reassuring.

The chakra allocated to them is the "power" that Hagoromo previously gave Ashura and neglected from Indra, unless we're going to sit here and say Ashura also got six paths chibaku tensei which makes no sense. The power also stayed with them beyond the sealing and was never supposed to be solely for the sealing, it's literally the reason why Hagoromo asked them what they would do with their powers AFTER the war.

Pretty much sums this up.

 

[Xerkser500]

To add onto the Naruto and Sasuke being strengthened bit, theres also the fact that Madara didnt instantly stomp them after Hagoromo split his power between them, despite Madaras progession of power.

Multiple times, I explained above on how Madara needs to be downscaled from Hagoromos level of 5-B. The fact Hagoromo, the 5-B himself, flat out clarifies to Naruto and Sasuke that Madara is "approaching his power" means Madara at that point was strong enough to come up on Hagoromos radar, showing he is in the same realm of power as Hagoromo already. So thats 5-B right there.

Naruto and Sasuke combined would have been easily curbstomped by Madara if they didnt get strengthened by Hagoromos split chakra between the 2. But thats obviously not what happened. They both give significant trouble to Madara, showing they are on his level too.

Unless we're going to sit here and seriously think Hagoromo is too much of an idiot to only give them seals and not levels of power to fight someone thats relative to his own, its obvious their power wasnt just focused into the seals. This and for the reasons others brought up too.

 

[TataHakai]

Ashura had Six paths chibaku tensei not Hagoromo's power everyone /sarcasm/

 

[Qawsedf234]

Can everyone please stop responding. There's only 30 responses left now. At this point another thread will have to be made.

 

[SinsofMan]

I still am with IMade, but the notion we haven't accepted Calcs is ridiculous. Toneri's feats have all been calced + accepted. He is safely Low 5-B, with a baseline 5-B high end.

I plan to revise the outlier page and if you compile all feats accepted from War Arc to Current Boruto Level Naruto, the average is roughly Low 5-B+/Baseline 5-B. (If you posted them on a scatterplot, the average would be this and the correlation is roughly a .7, or a mid-high correlation iirc)

It isnt an issue with calcs or consistency, more so an issue with semantics + interpretation at this point.

Honestly, Naruto has alot of 'accepted calcs'.

Thats all, I am done with this thread until IMade comes back.

 

[Omimi]

We know for a fact the Chakra was used for the Jutsu, which was Hagoromo's chakra and jutsu. OP never denied them receiving power.
They lost the seals which went back to Hagoromo's individual palms, how could they still have that power if it was all used to seal her?

seals went back to Hagoromo and after that he still said this

 

[Adam_of_darkness]

We know for a fact the Chakra was used for the Jutsu, which was Hagoromo's chakra and jutsu. OP never denied them receiving power.
They lost the seals which went back to Hagoromo's individual palms, how could they still have that power if it was all used to seal her?

Even assuming they naturally awakened their power, the boost does not make any sense logically. One half of SO6P chakra would, with a stretch, give them Juubito level power. Not enough power that base naruto would be able to kick Madara's TSB.

Logically, lore and narration wise, the power Naruto and Sasuke recieved were not for seal only

 

[TataHakai]

If this gets to 500 before Imade is here, i will create a new thread for it.

 

[Xerkser500]

So what is the updated agree/disagree list?

 

[TataHakai]

20 Disagree with the downgrade (EmperorRorepme, KLOL506, Me, Dzhindzholia, Rocker1189, 1997KD, AstralKing7, Mindovin. Js250476, BMWFanboy, I am myself, Omimi, GetRektNuub, KOMIE, Wrath of Itachi, Witch of truth, M3X, Xerkser, Adam, BlackeJean)

to

11 Agree with the downgrade (Imade himself, Strongclick, Demise,Podonklos, Sir Silent, Damage, Sigurd, SinsOfMan, ZERO772, Rin and Kep)

and

3 Neutral (The Causality, Dark649, GunSlaveUnit)

 

[Mindovin]

imo, agree/disagree thing completely removed from this and people stop to reply as Iagree X/Y / I disagree Y/X until all thing discussed properly. Otherwise, thread(s) fill with those and it most likely turn into insulting match and derails from the main point.

 

[BMWFanboy]

imo, agree/disagree thing completely removed from this and people stop to reply as Iagree X/Y / I disagree Y/X until all thing discussed properly. Otherwise, thread(s) fill with those and it most likely turn into insulting match and derails from the main point.

 

[Xerkser500]

Incase I didn't say this before, I also disagree with the downgrade.

 

[GoddessOfWinterr-]

This man Went from 25+ agree to 11. ƒÆÇ

Oh he said revote. Which is even worse since the ppl that agreed don't even come here cause it was supposedly over. So naturally the only ppl here will be of the ones that don't want a downgrade. Nice attempt it might work tho

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm now neutral given Hakai usually has a good sense of judgement regarding this and the reasons presented are good. And I agree that this thread should be closed soon and a new one should be made if needed.

I also agree with Matt that Quality should 100% take more priority than Quantity. Voting contests are the definition of all quantity and no quality and that it should be if the calcs are more accurate and/or the lore ties in more that hold the weight.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Vote counting shouldn't go over factual evidence of the series. Personal headcanon and belief and a majority support coming from people who haven't read the series and probably went "TL;DR" on the OP shouldn't count.
The only thing which should count are the factual evidence and the arguments brought over by the people. Anyone can share the thread elsewhere on Discord or Hangouts or Facebook or Google+ (Well, could) groups and go "Hey gang gimme support!!!11"

Few people can actually argue their point.

Repeating for emphasis.

Also, calcs shouldn't be rejected for no reason. They can be innacurate, granted, but I believe that Naruto got upgraded to 5-B through Kep's calculations.

 

[Xerkser500]

Oh he said revote. Which is even worse since the ppl that agreed don't even come here cause it was supposedly over. So naturally the only ppl here will be of the ones that don't want a downgrade. Nice attempt it might work tho

Probably because the people who "dont want a downgrade" have provided actual and well-in depth counter argumenative points that are hardly being seen. Much less not being acknowledged since before Tatahakai came, literally everyone agreed with the downgrade and left it at that, not seeing possible rebuttals.

 

[GoddessOfWinterr-]

Hm, wasn't imade arguing against throughout tho? Like I also agreed with the counters he made in the comments not just the post

 

[BlackeJan]

It seems like we would need a new thread since we all keep commenting on here....or we can have thisnclosed again and wait for IMade to return since I'm sure it's cause of RL