Naruto vs Goku ONE MORE TIME

[RanaProGamer]

Thanks to the recent Toei upgrades, this matchup can happen now. I'm sure we've all seen those fanarts of SSJ Goku against Naruto.

Standard Battle Assumptions

Speed equalized

4-A Versions

SSJ Goku scales to 168.5 ExaFoe
Six Paths Naruto scales to 33.76 ExaFoe due to scaling twice above this

Naruto’s Possibly Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing, Fate Manipulation and Immortality have been restricted

Toei SSJ Goku (Frieza Saga) vs Six Paths Naruto (Road to Boruto)

Who wins and why?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Bump

 

[Ednaxel2]

What wincons does Naruto have?

 

[Robo432343]

naruto will keep resurrecting over and over again until the AP gap is too much for goku to bear

 

[Fezzih_007]

Goku at first outskill in hand to hand combat, but since Naruto just spams clones, he could overwhelm Goku...NOT, since Goku can deal with clones kinda easy with AoE attacks.
Since Naruto can absorb energy, he could with Goku Ki blasts, so they kinda useless.

 

[Robo432343]

i think naruto will outlast goku by resurrecting over and over again

 

[DivineAura44]

Why doesn't knocking Naruto out work?

 

[Robo432343]

Why doesn't knocking Naruto out work?

"Should Naruto get KO'd or killed in story mode, Hagoromo will appear and allow him to continue the battle, giving him the option of increasing either his attack or defense power for the remainder of the battle and restoring his health."

 

[DivineAura44]

"Should Naruto get KO'd or killed in story mode, Hagoromo will appear and allow him to continue the battle, giving him the option of increasing either his attack or defense power for the remainder of the battle and restoring his health."

Ah, okay. I originally interpreted KO'd as "Killed Off" but killed off or killed doesn't make much sense. Naruto FRA.

 

[DivineAura44]

Actually does Goku even have a wincon?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Actually does Goku even have a wincon?

No, not really.
If he can't kill or K.O Naruto, the two main Wincons, he can't do much, as he lacks any other type of hax.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Goku at first outskill in hand to hand combat, but since Naruto just spams clones, he could overwhelm Goku...NOT, since Goku can deal with clones kinda easy with AoE attacks.
Since Naruto can absorb energy, he could with Goku Ki blasts, so they kinda useless. Granted, Goku can just do the same thing he did against Cell, and use telerport to hit a Kamehameha too.

Also, if Goku just decide to transform, he one-shots.

Goku is already in SSJ, he can’t transform above that

 

[Fezzih_007]

Well, i guess he could BFR Naruto too.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Goku is already in SSJ, he can’t transform above that

I mean, he goes in Super Sayian Full Power ,since you din't restricted that.
Because that form is 3-C.

 

[RanaProGamer]

I mean, he goes in Super Sayian Full Power ,since you din't restricted that.
Because that form is 3-C.

I used the value for Frieza saga, that’s the key that’s being used

 

[RanaProGamer]

If the resurrection means Goku has no win con whatsoever, I can restrict it

 

[Fezzih_007]

I used the value for Frieza saga, that’s the key that’s being used

Oh, i din't see.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

If goku got the same increase in power as during ToP he would probably outscale the increase from Kaguya

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Naruto becomes Frisk and eventually kills Goku FRA

 

[RanaProGamer]

If the resurrection means Goku has no win con whatsoever, I can restrict it

Just letting everyone know, I can restrict it since his resurrection is a Possibly

 

[Killerdrone123]

Just letting everyone know, I can restrict it since his resurrection is a Possibly

I think you should restrict it otherwise there is no wincons for goku

 

[RanaProGamer]

I think you should restrict it otherwise there is no wincons for goku

Aight, then OP has been updated

 

[DivineAura44]

What does Naruto start with, Shadow Clones? Goku starts with sizing up his opponent with regular hand to hand.

Also would ki and chakra be equalized here?

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

I think I'm gonna give this to Naruto.
He seems to just have far more up his plate when compared to Goku, with Superior AP, Reactive Evolution, and other stat amps, while also being of comparable skill (Goku might be slightly better), having Regen, and the TSO's?
It's hard to think of a solid way Goku can come out on-top besides just beating the shit out of Naruto.
Goku does have a solid lifting strength advantage though, which would help against Naruto, who afaik uses gripping and wrestling commonly when using his Kurama Avatar (could be wrong.)

But it seems like Naruto just has better options here; he'll be able to outlast Goku via Regen, overwhelm him with Shadow Clones, just delete him and any Ki attacks he does with TSO's....
Yeah, siding with our Knuckleheaded Shinobi here.

 

[Fezzih_007]

He seems to just have far more up his plate when compared to Goku, with Superior AP

What you mean "superior AP"?
Like, If you mean his Attack potency, Goku have the advantage here, with 5x Gap, If the OP is correct.

SSJ Goku scales to 168.5 ExaFoe

Six Paths Naruto scales to 33.76 ExaFoe due to scaling twice above this

If you mean his Analytical prediction, i really don't see how Naruto is superior either, against Goku stacked one.

Reactive Evolution

They seem equal in that regard, why Naruto is superior?

while also being of comparable skill (Goku might be slightly better),

He is, yeah.
In hand to hand combat atleast, Naruto is better than him in making plans trought.

having Regen

he'll be able to outlast Goku via Regen,

Goku can also regen with Senzu beans. And he becomes stronger every time.
To the point like, If Goku gets fatally wounded, and eats a Senzu, he might just speedblitz Naruto after.

overwhelm him with Shadow Clones

I don't see how he gonna overwhelmed Goku, since he can just AoE blast all the clones away. And is not like Goku don't have experience fighting multiple enemies at the same time.


Anyway, this battle seems very difficulty to graps, so i gonna vote Inco for now, since both does have chances of winning this.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

What you mean "superior AP"?
Like, If you mean his Attack potency, Goku have the advantage here, with 5x Gap, If the OP is correct.

So, I'm gonna be honest and say that I completely mis-read it. I had just barely woken up, and I was very groggy when I wrote that.
My argument will chalk up to, instead, that Naruto can sort of close that gap through his various amps such as Boil Release and his Kurama Avatar.

They seem equal in that regard, why Naruto is superior?

As I have always understood it, Saiyan power-ups are widely attained through recovery after they have been gravely injured. Like, to the point of near death. Naruto's, at least as the profile states it, happens quickly during the midst of battle. Maybe Goku's works the same, I haven't dug my teeth into Toei's Dragon Ball as much as I would've liked.

He is, yeah.
In hand to hand combat atleast, Naruto is better than him in making plans trought.

Mhm, that I agree with.

Goku can also regen with Senzu beans. And he becomes stronger every time.
To the point like, If Goku gets fatally wounded, and eats a Senzu, he might just speedblitz Naruto after.

Naruto's not exactly the type to let someone just power up or heal. Iirc, when Kaguya was charging her ETSO, Naruto went straight in; not giving her the chance to make-due.

I don't see how he gonna overwhelmed Goku, since he can just AoE blast all the clones away. And is not like Goku don't have experience fighting multiple enemies at the same time.

Goku has, yeah, but not with someone as coordinated as Naruto. He's able to make tightly-fitted combinations with his clones and work with them seemlessly. Iirc, the groups Goku fights has them hitting themselves more than Goku. Or just being dog-shit at coordination. Naruto can also whip them up in the heat of battle, giving Goku little chance to AoE them away without first getting smacked.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Also I want to note that Naruto scales a fair-bit above that 33.
Fighting Kaguya was done in SOSP at the end of Storm 4, if the profiles are correct, base Adult Naruto in THE LAST is above his past self, so-on with his Hokage self. Which you can then stack with SOSP.

 

[RanaProGamer]

1 vote for Naruto, 1 vote for incon

 

[DivineAura44]

How skillful is Naruto? Just for reference, Goku should have the skill to match beings thousands of years old since the Saiyan Saga.

 

[RanaProGamer]

How skillful is Naruto? Just for reference, Goku should have the skill to match beings thousands of years old since the Saiyan Saga.

Naruto also has the skill to match beings thousands of years old, like Momoshiki and Kinshiki

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Years stopped being a measure of someone's skill long ago afaik

 

[DivineAura44]

Years stopped being a measure of someone's skill long ago afaik

I'd say thousands of years of experience is nothing to scoff at but ok.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

How skillful is Naruto? Just for reference, Goku should have the skill to match beings thousands of years old since the Saiyan Saga.

Who did he fight that was a thousand years old in the Saiyan Saga?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Who did he fight that was a thousand years old in the Saiyan Saga?

I think he's referring to Roshi or King Piccolo but they're only in the hundreds ranges

Still impressive nonetheless

 

[RanaProGamer]

Who did he fight that was a thousand years old in the Saiyan Saga?

I think he’s referring to Frieza, who might be that old

 

[DivineAura44]

Referring to King Kai's statement which says something along the lines of "6 months of training in the afterlife is equivalent to 1000 years on earth."

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Can hagoromo resurrect Naruto even when he's reduced to atoms?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Doesn't matter since resurrection related abilities are restricted

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Does Naruto have his TSOs in this key?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Does Naruto have his TSOs in this key?

Apparently, yeah.