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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

NeoKingOfLight said:
i wasn’t asking about Naruto controlled Kurama. The question i am trying to ask is why you guys are trying to place 100% Kurama so far above 50%. And if that issue stems around higher end scaling, what’s wrong with that scailing? Edo Jin are irrelevant to the question but for specificity sake, I ask again, what is wrong with:

100% Kurama (x2) > 50% Kurama (x5) > War Arc Biju?

Because from my perspective, unless I’m missing something, if it’s just around higher end scalings for 100% Kurama being justification, then based if the narrative, they are just stronger than calcs suggest and the gaps aren’t as big as we think.

Hashirama being around x10 in Base over the Biju is sufficient and Narratively isn’t contradicted.
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The WA Bijuu are around KCM Naruto level. Base Guy is around that level as well. So 3rd Gate Guy and above is dozens of times above the War Arc Bijuu.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
The WA Bijuu are around KCM Naruto level. Base Guy is around that level as well. So 3rd Gate Guy and above is dozens of times above the War Arc Bijuu.
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Base Guy is not scaling to KCM Naruto, he had to open the 6th Gate just to fight the Edo Jinchūriki, let alone the full Bijū.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Base Guy is not scaling to KCM Naruto, he had to open the 6th Gate just to fight the Edo Jinchūriki, let alone the full Bijū.
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MinatoSparkle said:
I think it's just a plot/powercliffing based boost tbh, similar to Kaguya fight Sakura
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It's definitely power cliffing but being able to grow dozens of times stronger mid fight is a pretty nasty AD.
Lowkey consistent with Kakashi going from a kcm1 Nard rival to matching kcm2 Minatos attack speed.
Also Kaguya Fight Sakura is different since that's just like, an extreme case of resolve amps/PIS since she doesn't stay at that level and goes on to whine about being fodder to Sasuke literally seconds after punching Kaguyas horn off 😭
 
DavidTPPM said:
It's definitely power cliffing but being able to grow dozens of times stronger mid fight is a pretty nasty AD.
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True
DavidTPPM said:
Lowkey consistent with Kakashi going from a kcm1 Nard rival to matching kcm2 Minatos attack speed.
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Fatigued KCM Minato but sure
DavidTPPM said:
Also Kaguya Fight Sakura is different since that's just like, an extreme case of resolve amps/PIS since she doesn't stay at that level and goes on to whine about being fodder to Sasuke literally seconds after punching Kaguyas horn off 😭
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Idrk that I agree with that but meh
 
DavidTPPM said:
Oh one of them was certainly fatigued but it sure as hell wasn't the immortal infinitely regenerating zombie with a bijuu up his ass
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It sure as hell wasn't the one whose bum ass spent the whole Juubito fight sitting crisscrossed while the other had just given away all his KCM chakra and was just recovering it
DavidTPPM said:
This is what talking to Tanwin does to a man 💔
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This ain't Tanwin's influence 💀
 
MinatoSparkle said:
It sure as hell wasn't the one whose bum ass spent the whole Juubito fight sitting crisscrossed while the other had just given away all his KCM chakra and was just recovering it
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This is so crazy I won't even scratch the reply, because Minatos bum ass failed to hit 1 rasengan and retired from the Juubito fight whiles Kakashi has been fighting for like a day straight at that point and couldn't even see properly due to his sharingan going blind 😭😭😭😭😭
MinatoSparkle said:
This ain't Tanwin's influence 💀
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That's what he wants you to think 🥸
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
He still says using them would be wasteful regardless, purely because Kishimoto knows a Bloodlusted Obito is basically unbeatable.
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It was a 4v1 and Naruto could release Bijuu mid-match, plus, I don't think they'd be able to use the Paths in Bijuu form.

Sidenote: What's the ideal 6-6 combo? I say:

Yugito - Animal Path: Can easily infiltrate enemy lines and maneuver around them, and can this easily set up surprise attacks with animals and the other Paths, but isn't already able to fly, so the bird is still useful.
Yagura - Human Path: Can immobilize people with Coral Palm, then hit them, or distract them with his mirror first.
Roshi - Naraka Path: He's the hardest to harm due to his Lava Chakra Mode, and can thus easily arrive on location to heal others. You can switch him and Fuu around if you want.
Han - Asura: He has the highest physical strength, so this would be good for him, and his biggest weakness is probably range
Utakata - Deva: He leaves his bubbles floating in the air, and can draw them in or out along with people
Fuu - Preta Path: Fuu is pretty vulnerable due to how bug wings work, but this would boost her defense.
 
DavidTPPM said:
This is so crazy I won't even scratch the reply, because Minatos bum ass failed to hit 1 rasengan and retired from the Juubito fight whiles Kakashi has been fighting for like a day straight at that point and couldn't even see properly due to his sharingan going blind 😭😭😭😭😭
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DavidTPPM said:
That's what he wants you to think 🥸
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I haven't even talked to him about Sakura in like years 😭
 
DavidTPPM said:
Also Kaguya Fight Sakura is different since that's just like, an extreme case of resolve amps/PIS since she doesn't stay at that level and goes on to whine about being fodder to Sasuke literally seconds after punching Kaguyas horn off 😭
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She was sleepy :(

But legitimately, she doesn't have a counter to Rinnegan Genjutsu(KISHIMOTO!!!) and probably had a massive reduction in her chakra storage.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
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Brother this same Kurama went on to cover Narutos ass in KCM2 cloak for the entirety of the juubidara, Kaguya, and Sasuke fights where he spammed thousands of clones, rasen shurikens, and other large scale attacks. You're NOT going to pretend like Minato somehow gave Naruto all of his kyubi chakra to form a single avatar 😭😭😭😭😭. Bro was straight up covered in a kcm2 cloak when it happened be so fr
MinatoSparkle said:
I haven't even talked to him about Sakura in like years 😭
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Lies, deception, falsehoods!
 
DavidTPPM said:
Brother this same Kurama went on to cover Narutos ass in KCM2 cloak for the entirety of the juubidara, Kaguya, and Sasuke fights where he spammed thousands of clones, rasen shurikens, and other large scale attacks. You're NOT going to pretend like Minato somehow gave Naruto all of his kyubi chakra to form a single avatar 😭😭😭😭😭. Bro was straight up covered in a kcm2 cloak when it happened be so fr
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The chakra's just added to Naruto's overall pool, what do you think the snip and Minato returning to base is?
DavidTPPM said:
Lies, deception, falsehoods!
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Ok zoomer
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Sure, but Base Guy~KCM Naruto wouldn't be accepted on the wiki either
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Bro has the feats tbh. Don't see nothing wrong with him being relative although on the low end. Plus I think Naruto shunshin is still faster.
MinatoSparkle said:
Tagged Edo Madara
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Idk about that one really. Hirudura is a wide range attack, he doesn't need to be on par in speed to catch him. Or did they throw hands a bit before then?
 
karo_senpaii said:
Bro has the feats tbh. Don't see nothing wrong with him being relative although on the low end. Plus I think Naruto shunshin is still faster.
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I mentioned it before and it was just considered an outlier
karo_senpaii said:
Idk about that one really. Hirudura is a wide range attack, he doesn't need to be on par in speed to catch him. Or did they throw hands a bit before then?
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Regardless of its width, it still moved forward faster than Madara's Susanoo could tag Naruto
 
Kakuzu's idle animation in the Storm 4 select screen is so freaky. It looks like he has worms in his skin.
 
karo_senpaii said:
Let's mention it again but add AD
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AD?
karo_senpaii said:
Nice. Might come in handy for 8th gate guy
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If you can prove 8th Gate Guy is dozens of times above 7th Gate sure
karo_senpaii said:
Could chidori kakashi just be that fast enough to match guy?
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You could argue that but it's not like Kakashi can use Raikiri as much as Guy can fight with the Gates open
Stryker861 said:
I think the sharingan and raikiri merchant that kakashi is let's him keep up with gates.
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I don't think Base Kakashi is relative to 7th Gate Guy or anything sure, but him being Base Guy level seems a bit too low. PA Kakashi's keeping up with Pain while Base WA Guy can't even damage Bee amped Kisame or overwhelm Haku.
Stryker861 said:
Also they are just stated to be rivals numerous times implying relativity.
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I agree that overall Kakashi and Guy with access to the Gates are relative
 
MinatoSparkle said:
AD?

If you can prove 8th Gate Guy is dozens of times above 7th Gate sure

You could argue that but it's not like Kakashi can use Raikiri as much as Guy can fight with the Gates open

I don't think Base Kakashi is relative to 7th Gate Guy or anything sure, but him being Base Guy level seems a bit too low. PA Kakashi's keeping up with Pain while Base WA Guy can't even damage Bee amped Kisame or overwhelm Haku.

I agree that overall Kakashi and Guy with access to the Gates are relative
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1. Accelerated development
2. It's already accepted
3. Guy can't spam the gates either though
4. I don't really think there is much difference between kisame and pain physicals. And líke you said kisame was amped by bee chakra. Also kakashi is Not overwhelming haku either. Well pre wa kakashi.
5. I don't think kakashi is relative to 7th gate strength at all. He is not bulldozing madara susanoo and putting him out of commission for a while
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
He would have if not for the plot- I mean for the fact that they all know how to counter Rinnegan abilities now. He says they take up too much Chakra but you're telling me he couldn't at least try to use them in small openings where he could take them out with Chakra absorption or something?
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He really couldn't afford to
Unlike pain's corpses, the bijuu have massive personalities and A LOT of chakra
Kokuo broke out of his control even without him giving them complex abilities
which is part reason why I don't think obito amped their stats at all. Best i see him doing is to enhance how well they utilize their chakra. Plus having a sharingan amp your perception and reactions is enough to give you an edge in combat
 
karo_senpaii said:
1. Accelerated development
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Mk
karo_senpaii said:
2. It's already accepted
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I thought that's for Base to 8th Gate?
karo_senpaii said:
3. Guy can't spam the gates either though
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Can still use them for more than a handful of strikes. 6th Gate Guy literally launches hundreds of attacks with Asakujaku
karo_senpaii said:
4. I don't really think there is much difference between kisame and pain physicals.
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Pain~Jiraiya~/>Orochimaru>CM2 Hebi Sasuke>>3T Hebi Sasuke>3T Taka Sasuke<~Base Bee<~Base Kisame
karo_senpaii said:
And líke you said kisame was amped by bee chakra.
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Ok but Kisame is not taking an attack from FKS Kakashi with literally no reaction. Bee's chakra or not. Pre-War Bee and FKS Kakashi are around the same level
karo_senpaii said:
Also kakashi is Not overwhelming haku either. Well pre wa kakashi.
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Bruh. Haku is legitimately a 3T Kid Sasuke victim (and it's a pretty big difference too), he's not touching Sannin level whatsoever.
karo_senpaii said:
5. I don't think kakashi is relative to 7th gate strength at all. He is not bulldozing madara susanoo and putting him out of commission for a while
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I could see his Raikiri piercing through it and it would definitely damage Madara's body
Testarossa002 said:
which is part reason why I don't think obito amped their stats at all. Best i see him doing is to enhance how well they utilize their chakra. Plus having a sharingan amp your perception and reactions is enough to give you an edge in combat
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If anything wouldn't injecting them with chakra help to control them better? It's not like he's freely giving them his chakra for their own personal use, he's manipulating them with that chakra
 
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