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I don't think I have a proper response to this. But it's just really weird to think that a practically divine power up given by the creator of the ninja world is weaker than the First Gate. There's probably no real proof though.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Quick question: do we treat the otsutsuki's dimension depicting kaguya with a rinnesharigan as a retcon to Naruto's kaguya filler flashback?
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The question is: Does Naruto know how to open a door? The characters we see in the series who can open doors are Kakashi, Lee, Gai, Dai, Shira (Goat has his own special door technique).
Says he can open the first door for Hokage Kakashi. Naruto>First gate Kakashi is the door and raise the characters that take scales from Naruto and Naruto. So I don't think anyone will say BE Kakashi beats Naruto with Gate 1. It is already stated in Shonen Jump magazine that Naruto is at the peak of his power and is the strongest shinobi. Even without such a magazine Adult Sage Naruto>First gate Kakashi. I think we should think about this.
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Naruto is stupid, but not THAT stupid. i'm sure he can find the handle and turn it.
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I remember that there was a statement in the series itself: The person who has the Sage of Six Paths form can perform all ninjutsu. In other words, he can open the door if he wants, but he does not prefer to open it himself...
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That's the main issue, we also don't really know in what manner SPSM acts;
Is it just a really sexy version of Sage Mode or is it a static power-up (like the Biju are)?
Idk, you could try to go for the 1.5x Sage Mode thing but I don't really see it being accepted (nor really accurate)
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Also as others have pointed out, people are too hung up on AP. I'm sort of guilty too, but that's mainly because I view the Narutoverse as a very low-level hax verse, which I don't think will change that much given Kishimoto's style
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That’s just doing too much at that pointIdk, you could try to go for the 1.5x Sage Mode thing but I don't really see it being accepted (nor really accurate)
Honestly it’s just best to give up on a SM multiplier lol
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I mean yeah, it's more effort than gain. It's an entirely useless multiplier because of how small it is, and getting it accepted is also useless.
SM multipliers generally are never getting accepted unless we get some random massive lore-drop that would give us something to base said multipliers off of, but that won't happen.
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What are the upper limits of Yata Mirror? If Juubidara punches it for example is Itachi fine?
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HelloThere1089
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Go crazy:
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"the Great Celestial Disruption" goes incredibly hard.Go crazy:
HelloThere1089
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This if translated correctly, confirms the per second effect of Uzuhiko does include "damage" and isn't just dizziness.
Edit: also the next page says "The Great Cataclysm"
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I call it "The Great Celestial Disruption" when the morning alarm goes off.
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Canon stats of the characters.
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Kinda wild how the fanbase's cry for an explanation of Uzuhiko was actually answeredGo crazy:
HelloThere1089
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Yeah. Disclaimer tho. This is fan translations.
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Nothing dissimilar from the mangaGo crazy:
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I got the raws for the Uzuhiko statement
星のチャクラ･･･その「回転」を取り込んだ新たな螺旋丸。 攻撃対象の体中を回転の力が駆け巡り、術者であるボルトが「解除」しない限り半永久的にダメージを与え続ける。
The Chakra of the Stars... a new Rasengan that incorporates that 'rotation.' The power of rotation courses through the body of the target, continuously dealing damage indefinitely unless the caster, Boruto, releases it.
The kanji for star probably means planet in this context
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The damage part is consistent. So I think an AP rating for the after effect can be comfortably argued.I got the raws for the Uzuhiko statement
星のチャクラ･･･その「回転」を取り込んだ新たな螺旋丸。 攻撃対象の体中を回転の力が駆け巡り、術者であるボルトが「解除」しない限り半永久的にダメージを与え続ける。
The Chakra of the Stars... a new Rasengan that incorporates that 'rotation.' The power of rotation courses through the body of the target, continuously dealing damage indefinitely unless the caster, Boruto, releases it.
The kanji for star probably means planet in this context
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Code has Moon level internals
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Btw could Dai have a page? Eighth Gate Dai could stall all of the 7 ninja swordsman even if his base is featless.
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Could the GOAT have a page? You bet your ass he could.
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It'd be like a car running into a boulder actually.
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Have you seen Goten from Dragon Ball? Same thing.
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I mean realistically Goten would have had to have been born when Goku was a Super Saiyan 24/7.
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Yeah, exactly
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Are we allowed to scale striking AP from Durability (Except in Special Cases, such as Kakuzu’s Diamond Skin Jutsu) under the assumption these characters can hurt themselves, just like we can Irl?
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Unfortunately not idt
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What if there is proof that it is inherently implied in-verse?
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If it's something consistent and has statements about it then maybe
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No, but we can do the inverse. We can scale Durability from Striking Strength via newton's third law.
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I was just thinking about it and I think it’ll be rejected. Pain’s jutsu from BoShippuden where he created the equal clones of Team Guy where the clones created are said to be identical copies and are shown and stated to be as such. This inherently carries the implication that Ninja can fight and harm themselves.
And I mean, i know special cases exist where one’s striking doesn’t exceed their durability, but at a base level, if it’s just a standard part of life irl that we can strike hard enough to hurt ourselves, why deny that reality at a basic level? It’s the same reason we use standard values such as “Average Human Running Speed, height, etc” for calcs.
That’s just floor level assumptions unless shown otherwise, no?
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This is honestly weird… we are using Newtons 3rd Law, but simultaneously ignore the fact that all humans hit hard enough to hurt ourselves. And that’s not an opinion or anything, just a fact of reality. We can easily bruise our skin and muscles, and if we strike as hard as we can, we can even tear tendons & break our own bones.
Outside of special instances in fiction where this is stated or shown to be otherwise (Again, a Naruto example would be Kakuzu using his Diamond Skin Jutsu), why are we denying this part of reality?
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I mean sure ig but idt one example is enough to set a standard for the whole verse
Agree but VSBW standards can be rather strict
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VSBW Standards when faced with Reality:
