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I don't know if I am remembering this correctly but there was a databook scan posted by testarossa a few months back, that stated the average shinobi is as smart as a scientist irl. If true, it can be used to at least support AA - Gifted intelligence, so ping them.
Not exactly but I can see how it can be interpreted that way
For them to use nature transformations, they must be super knowledgeable on how said element (lightning, fire, etc) works

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Not just nature transformations. Any jutsu at all. Which is impressive when you consider the existence of complex techniques like particle style
"Exluding Naruto" bro's the outlier
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Idk if you're joking or not but i'm talking about Guy and Kakashi scaling to 30% of Itachi and Kisame's chakra
 
Idk if you're joking or not but i'm talking about Guy and Kakashi scaling to 30% of Itachi and Kisame's chakra
Here you go.
You picked a curious time to ask about it tho, cause by the looks of things, this stuff will change soon.
 
Not exactly but I can see how it can be interpreted that way
For them to use nature transformations, they must be super knowledgeable on how said element (lightning, fire, etc) works

Edit:
Not just nature transformations. Any jutsu at all. Which is impressive when you consider the existence of complex techniques like particle style
"Exluding Naruto" bro's the outlier
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Are you planning a content revision for this? I'm asking because it would affect almost every profile from the verse, so I don't think it would be appropriate to add this for the Raikage alone without it being accepted first.
 
Here you go.
You picked a curious time to ask about it tho, cause by the looks of things, this stuff will change soon.
So the 30% scaling is coming back?
 
I agree with this but even if one counted the hosts power its probably insignificant in contrast
Not necessarily. It would mean that we can’t simply say Kakashi and Guy only scale to 30% Itachi & Kisame because it’s 30% of their power ontop of a whole ass elite Ninja. And Iirc, Yura is one of the top Jonin in Suna.

So it makes it unquantifiable/unusable for Scaling Purposes.
 
Not necessarily. It would mean that we can’t simply say Kakashi and Guy only scale to 30% Itachi & Kisame because it’s 30% of their power ontop of a whole ass elite Ninja. And Iirc, Yura is one of the top Jonin in Suna.

So it makes it unquantifiable/unusable for Scaling Purposes.
Couldn't Guy and Kakashi just have an "At Least" in the Tier they scale to the 30% Clones?

Since "At Least" is used to denote the lower cap of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate. The Clones are 30% of Itachi and Kisame's power with the addition of the host bodies' own power
 
Yeah so I reread Chapter 260. Kakashi was able to notice some differences in the Itachi Clone. If there are noticeable aspects of Yura still in the Jutsu, then it can be argued they aren’t 100% overwritten.

Obviously Yura =\= Itachi, but this means Yura + 30% Itachi > 30% Itachi alone and we do know that unless Killed, the sacrifice doesn’t “die” until after the Jutsu is lifted (Pending MS’s Translation)
 
Couldn't Guy and Kakashi just have an "At Least" in the Tier they scale to the 30% Clones?

Since "At Least" is used to denote the lower cap of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate. The Clones are 30% of Itachi and Kisame's power with the addition of the host bodies' own power
Trust me, considering where Itachi and Kisame will probably end up scale, the host body's power will be super negligible.
 
Couldn't Guy and Kakashi just have an "At Least" in the Tier they scale to the 30% Clones?

Since "At Least" is used to denote the lower cap of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate. The Clones are 30% of Itachi and Kisame's power with the addition of the host bodies' own power
I think “likely higher” would be better here and they were still highly competitive with Kakashi and Guy. “At Least” carries the connotation that it’s a lower bench for them, if that makes sense?
 
Trust me, considering where Itachi and Kisame will probably end up scale, the host body's power will be super negligible.
For stamina purposes, it would matter bc it would mean the Clone wouldn’t be “fatigued”. If that makes sense, just a lesser version of Itachi.

I guess I wouldn’t be mad if it were simply “fatigued” Itachi & Kisame, but… I just want to make sure bc idt Yura is absolute Fodder to Kakashi at this point and that has to play a factor at least.
 
Well, yeah
It's not Itachi at full power
Which is why Kakashi thought something was off
He couldn’t tell outrightly because he didn't know the jutsu in effect
I doubt this is the case. If Itachi was simply fatigued and fighting, emphasis wouldn’t have been placed on the clone. If the Jutsu was a true 100% overwrite, there is no emphasis on the clone bc nothing they did would show through. Ntm, Itachi straight told him he couldn’t use MS atm.

The implication is Kakashi noticed something more than him just being simply fatigued.
 
“At Least” carries the connotation that it’s a lower bench for them, if that makes sense?
What's wrong with that? Why not combine both then?

At Least X (Fought a clone that possess 30% of X's power), likely higher (Said clone also possesses the power of its host body)

At Least should be used to denote the lower cap of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate.
Higher may also be used to denote a case where the character is possibly or likely a higher tier, but to what degree is not specified. This is specifically referring to cases such as “At least 4-B, likely higher” or “At least Solar System level, likely higher”
 
I doubt this is the case. If Itachi was simply fatigued and fighting, emphasis wouldn’t have been placed on the clone. If the Jutsu was a true 100% overwrite, there is no emphasis on the clone bc nothing they did would show through. Ntm, Itachi straight told him he couldn’t use MS atm.

The implication is Kakashi noticed something more than him just being simply fatigued.
Nobody laid emphasis on the clone
Certainly not Kakashi
All he mentioned was how something wasn't quite right
The databook also mentions that the host dies once the 30% chakra is exhausted
If the host's chakra had any bearing on it, they wouldn't be dying if the 30% chakra is gone
 
Nobody laid emphasis on the clone
The narrative laid emphasis on the clone by having Kakashi voice he noticed something off after they all discovered it was a clone.
All he mentioned was how something wasn't quite right
Refer above.
The databook also mentions that the host dies once the 30% chakra is exhausted
Yes, that’s the mechanic of the Jutsu. It doesn’t also imply the host plays mo factor in the strength of the clone either.
If the host's chakra had any bearing on it, they wouldn't be dying if the 30% chakra is gone
Not necessarily true. The Jutsu’s mechanism could just result in that. For example, Orochimaru’s Immortal Jutsu that allows him to take over the body of another doesn’t expressly say the host body gives him any benefit either outside of giving him access to their abilities, but what we know based on how the verse works, Orochimaru’s is only transferring his Yin Chakra / Consciousness and suppressing the Yin Chakra & Consciousness of those he takes. Their Physicals & Yang Chakra still play a part in how strong or not Orochimaru becomes.

Though, I’ve been giving it more and more thought and I think I agree with @UchihaSlayer96 Yura’s power would be negligible either way, even if his body being used has the affect of “He’s not Fatigued”.

It’ll be irrelevant either way, so… 🤷‍♂️
 
For example, Orochimaru’s Immortal Jutsu that allows him to take over the body of another doesn’t expressly say the host body gives him any benefit either outside of giving him access to their abilities, but what we know based on how the verse works, Orochimaru’s is only transferring his Yin Chakra / Consciousness and suppressing the Yin Chakra & Consciousness of those he takes. Their Physicals & Yang Chakra still play a part in how strong or not Orochimaru becomes.
Interesting that you brought this up.
Based on this, how strong do you think Sasukemaru (Hebi Sasuke basically) actually was?
Though, I’ve been giving it more and more thought and I think I agree with @UchihaSlayer96 Yura’s power would be negligible either way, even if his body being used has the affect of “He’s not Fatigued”.
Yeah, like, I did the math and with the new values someone like Yura won't even amount to 0.1% of people like Itachi, Kisame, Kakashi, etc.

Granted, I don't believe the gap is that large in-verse at all, but for Wiki purposes, it just won't matter.
 
Looks like Viz did it again.... 🫃
VIZ 24/7:

(they weren't actually wrong this time tho)
Whole page I guess. I just want to know if it overwrites the victim or not and not additive.
Here's the raw page, but I don't see anything particularly different from the VIZ from a rough translation
Yeah, like, I did the math and with the new values someone like Yura won't even amount to 0.1% of people like Itachi, Kisame, Kakashi, etc.
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VIZ 24/7:

(they weren't actually wrong this time tho)

Real.
(Wasn't referring to the Impersonation Jutsu stuff.)
What? The difference between Kakashi tiers (50-ish Megatons) and baseline Jonin (where Yura would be if he had a profile) is well over 1000x. It's even higher for people like Kisame and Itachi.

Add to that the fact that the baseline Jonin will be heavily downgraded and the Kakashi/Kisame tiers will likely be upgraded, and the difference will be even larger.
Again, I don't think the in-verse difference is that dramatic personally, but those are the values we have, so it is what it is.
 
Real.
(Wasn't referring to the Impersonation Jutsu stuff.)
Something else you discovered? 🤔
What? The difference between Kakashi tiers (50-ish Megatons) and baseline Jonin (where Yura would be if he had a profile) is well over 1000x. It's even higher for people like Kisame and Itachi.

Add to that the fact that the baseline Jonin will be heavily downgraded and the Kakashi/Kisame tiers will likely be upgraded, and the difference will be even larger.
Again, I don't think the in-verse difference is that dramatic personally, but those are the values we have, so it is what it is.
Ah fair, I thought you meant the difference between Kakashi and elite jonin tier would become more than 1000x, which doesn't really make sense since that's what he currently scales to
 
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