Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[OneBleachHurricane]

I think the confusion stems from a misunderstanding of Naruto and Sasuke's feats against Juubito. They did NOT fight a Juubito who was really trying, nor was he in a good mental state in the slightest.
Like, I believed that Juubito was mentally nerfed long before I believed mental nerfs were even a thing in-verse lol. It's so blatant.

Does Obito removing a portion of the Jubi from himself to make the Shinju also count in nerfing himself?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not at first, he wasn't. The Juubito who Hashirama admitted inferiority to is not the same as the one who was nuking himself and being ripped apart lol.

Any version of Unstable Juubito is him in a mindless state with no sense of self. He clearly got better control of his powers when he stabilized even if he was mentally nerfed. 100% Juubito>Mentally nerfed Stable Juubito>Unstable Juubito>Hashirama

Ntm, it's a moot comparison when we know both are at the end of the day vaguely inferior to Juubito. The only difference is that Hashirama's got avenues to scale above Naruto. While Naruto's mainly come from a mentally broken Juubito.

There are also avenues to put Naruto above too, like using BSM>>KCM2~>Madara~Hashirama in speed and arguing Hashirama's firepower doesn't matter if he can't hit Naruto or consistently block his attacks. I still have Hashirama above, but it's not a one sided debate.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Any version of Unstable Juubito is him in a mindless state with no sense of self. He clearly got better control of his powers when he stabilized even if he was mentally nerfed. 100% Juubito>Mentally nerfed Stable Juubito>Unstable Juubito>Hashirama

Even if I conceded to that scaling chain, I don't see what it changes given that stable Juubito (mentally nerfed or otherwise) is still >> Naruto. And he has no relevant scaling to or above stable Juubito.

There are also avenues to put Naruto above too, like using BSM>>KCM2~>Madara~Hashirama in speed and arguing Hashirama's firepower doesn't matter if he can't hit Naruto or consistently block his attacks.

I mean, Naruto has only shown significant superiority to Madara with Shunshin, which is fine. Having one move that makes him a lot faster isn't the end all be all.
And tbf, that was Edo Madara. So in reality it's more like
Naruto's shunshin >> Edo Madara < revived SM Madara ~ Prime Madara ~ Hashirama < SM Hashirama's reactions/senses. So I just don't see him getting blitzed here. Especially given all the avenues that puts him and Madara at this level or above it.

I still have Hashirama above, but it's not a one sided debate.

Well, I never said it was impossible to argue for it, but what's more likely/consistent? It's possible to argue for a lot of things, including Juubito ~ Hagoromo (not saying this is as ridiculous as that, just saying), but that doesn't make it the best possible take.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Neirre is now a mod. Nice

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

yeh

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Even if I conceded to that scaling chain, I don't see what it changes given that stable Juubito (mentally nerfed or otherwise) is still >> Naruto. And he has no relevant scaling to or above stable Juubito.

That's fine

I mean, Naruto has only shown significant superiority to Madara with Shunshin, which is fine. Having one move that makes him a lot faster isn't the end all be all.

He was also generally having no issues keeping up with Rinnegan Obito who's shown to be comparable to Edo Madara.

And tbf, that was Edo Madara. So in reality it's more like
Naruto's shunshin >> Edo Madara < revived SM Madara ~ Prime Madara ~ Hashirama < SM Hashirama's reactions/senses. So I just don't see him getting blitzed here. Especially given all the avenues that puts him and Madara at this level or above it.

Surr, just saying speed is a notable advantage BSM Naruto has

Well, I never said it was impossible to argue for it, but what's more likely/consistent? It's possible to argue for a lot of things, including Juubito ~ Hagoromo (not saying this is as ridiculous as that, just saying), but that doesn't make it the best possible take.

What I moreso mean is that they have a lot of scaling chains you can link fairly close to each other and that they're pretty comparable as overall combatants considering that

 

[KingogKings777]

I think the confusion stems from a misunderstanding of Naruto and Sasuke's feats against Juubito. They did NOT fight a Juubito who was really trying, nor was he in a good mental state in the slightest.
Like, I believed that Juubito was mentally nerfed long before I believed mental nerfs were even a thing in-verse lol. It's so blatant.

Bro was too busy wondering if Chris Hansen was going to show up or not.

 

[Samlex1234]

Congratulations Nierre

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This shit is stupidly OP.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The way Naruto's WA key is split up is kinda odd ngl. Wouldn't it make more sense to split it between pre- and post-Kurama cooperation rather than by arcs, cause that's when his power significantly changes?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The way Naruto's WA key is split up is kinda odd ngl. Wouldn't it make more sense to split it between pre- and post-Kurama cooperation rather than by arcs, cause that's when his power significantly changes?

No because the initial KCM2 is weaker than the one later on when the Jūbi is active.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

No because the initial KCM2 is weaker than the one later on when the Jūbi is active.

I mean actually mastered KCM2 happens before BOTTTJ anyways, which is his second WA key. Also his Base/SM/KCM get stronger after Kurama's cooperation so that's a big reason having a post-Kurama coop key would be good.

 

[Godernet]

The way Naruto's WA key is split up is kinda odd ngl. Wouldn't it make more sense to split it between pre- and post-Kurama cooperation rather than by arcs, cause that's when his power significantly changes?

I mean it’s just subjective,

A lot of verses will do it by arc rather than by the power up to makes keys easier to name as long as the profiles still get the point across of how their new power is attained and what it entails.

Not to mention all of Nards profiles are by arc so it would be weirder if WA Nard was the exception.

Also personally 4GNW and BOJJ Nard are both way better names for the keys than Pre and Post Kurama friendship.

and they’re easy ways to identify what part of the story it’s talking about for more casual ppl looking at his profile

Which is also why we call EoS Nard his “Six Paths key” instead of “Kaguya Strikes key”

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Fair enough ig, but it is kinda a problem still that the arc splits aren't entirely accurate to the things listed in the keys

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

There are like canon, official arcs, that the keys could be ordered in. But maybe the current ordering is just for relevancy.

 

[KaydeeX]

Merry Christmas fellas

It’s been a year!

500+ extra pages is wholesome

 

[Ped2018]

 

[Godernet]

There are like canon, official arcs, that the keys could be ordered in. But maybe the current ordering is just for relevancy.

It pm is

A mix between relevant terminology and official arc names that describe key points in a characters power progression without having to make a key for every ability they ever gain

That way it avoids the need for 20 keys of a character some of which for negligible gains or niche names that a casual fan wouldn’t understand.

Imagine if we had a Post Rasenshuriken Training Key or a pre Kaguya and Post Kaguya key for Six Paths Nard just because he demonstrates new hax and higher AP with certain abilities he didn’t have during the Kaguya fight.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Imagine if we had a Post Rasenshuriken Training Key

Er

 

[Godernet]

Er

I’m about to drink some coquito and celebrate we’re not doing this rn

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I’m about to drink some coquito and celebrate we’re not doing this rn