MinatoSparkle
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I’m about to drink some coquito and celebrate we’re not doing this rn
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Let me know if this scaling is right or wrong (Pre-Six Paths Power Up):
- Base Naruto = 3TM Sasuke
- SM Naruto = EMS Sasuke (Skeletal Susanoo)
- KCM Naruto = EMS Sasuke (Armored Susanoo)
- BM Naruto = EMS Sasuke (Complete Susanoo)
- BSM Naruto > EMS Sasuke (Unless we think MAS is evidence Sasuke obtained PS prior to Meeting Hags)
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Mastered KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke and War Arc Sakura are stated to be equals and then Mastered KCM2 Naruto is several tiers above them in power with Sasuke only barely catching up to BSM Naruto through two outside amps, one from Naruto himself and the other from Jugo before he awakens the Perfect Susano'o when they do MAS.
MinatoSparkle
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Base Naruto~Base Sasuke as seen with their parity against the Ten Tails' clones at first
Possible? Sasuke definitely has better stats but maybe Naruto can fight a restricted Sasuke.
If during the time they fought alongside each other, sure. At Sasuke's peak, I'd argue his stats are MKCM2 level so nah.
If by that you mean legged, sure
I think PS EMS Sasuke~BSM Naruto
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I do think.
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That panel where they begin to merge their avatars
Sasuke is shown to have unlocked PS in that moment
It's just that sadly we never got to see it by itself in action
Sasuke is shown to have unlocked PS in that moment
It's just that sadly we never got to see it by itself in action
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Is it fair to scale Susanoo’s Offensive Capabilities from its Durability?
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Nah
Especially when the Susano'o is most notable for its durability
Especially when the Susano'o is most notable for its durability
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I believe so.
MinatoSparkle
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Ehhhh you could interpret it like that but it could also be surprise at his chosen escape route
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Might set up a couple gauntlets and such, gonna go through villains 1 by 1.
The first enemy in the series is Mizuki. Assuming Iruka's actually able to put down 3 Chunin-level opponents like he thought he could, despite being aware of, say, BoS Naruto's strength, and noting Naruto's mental amp in chapter 1, how would the BoS Part 1 kids or 3-man squads perform against him?
The first enemy in the series is Mizuki. Assuming Iruka's actually able to put down 3 Chunin-level opponents like he thought he could, despite being aware of, say, BoS Naruto's strength, and noting Naruto's mental amp in chapter 1, how would the BoS Part 1 kids or 3-man squads perform against him?
MinatoSparkle
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Can you rephrase
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BoS, how would the individual members of the groups of kids do in a fight against a pissed-off Mizuki, and how would the groups of 3 do?
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Yeah
That shouldn't be a surprise to Sasuke given the level of opponents he'd faced prior. He himself had "stuck to the roof" to fight opponents (five kage summit)
MinatoSparkle
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Oh, they probably all get slammed. Team Guy is the only arguable exception.
It's a high ceiling, and in terms of dodging it's an unorthodox move as he jumped a very unnecessary height.
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they ninjas ???
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What about the Sand siblings?
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Mizuki is a Jonin, correct?
Also @MinatoSparkle, idt Sasuke would be surprised at that. That feels very “out of place” for him to be surprised at that (If that phrasing makes sense
), especially considering Itachi dodged Chidori stream the same way, and Sasuke wasn’t surprised at his method of dodging.
Also @MinatoSparkle, idt Sasuke would be surprised at that. That feels very “out of place” for him to be surprised at that (If that phrasing makes sense
), especially considering Itachi dodged Chidori stream the same way, and Sasuke wasn’t surprised at his method of dodging.
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I knew I could recall someone doing same against him before kabuto. I kept seeing Sasuke with the white bandages over his headMizuki is a Jonin, correct?
Also @MinatoSparkle, idt Sasuke would be surprised at that. That feels very “out of place” for him to be surprised at that (If that phrasing makes sense
Just too lazy to actually confirm
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Merry Christmas all 
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Merry Christmas!
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MinatoSparkle
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Still, who in the series jumps dozens of meters to avoid a small AoE attack
Unless Gaara uses Shukaku's power, they're cooked
He's a chunin
He jumped, he didn't turn upside down midair to stick to a ceiling dozens of meters above. That was also against a Chidori stream in a small room where Itachi didn't really have much else to go, whereas here Kabuto could've simply darted to the side to dodgeAlso @MinatoSparkle, idt Sasuke would be surprised at that. That feels very “out of place” for him to be surprised at that (If that phrasing makes sense
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He jumped up towards the ceiling… I don’t see how it’s any different aside from one making contact and the other being intercepted mid-air. The result is still the same.
The room wasn’t small, and Itachi had far more room to maneuver than Kabuto, whom was surrounded by Stalagmites, etc.
Why is that more valid or deserving of less scrutiny than simply jumping up over the ability?
That’s why this take is “out of place”. Sasuke is well aware Ninja can jump up and/or stick upside down to surfaces (He’s done it and/or has fought someone who has done it). There is nothing that would justify or support him being “bewildered” or “Taken aback” that Kabuto jumped up over his ability and stuck to the ceiling vs dashing left or right or back or ducking, etc…
Sure, I understand it could “possibly” be an interpretation to some, but I don’t believe that you believe the reading of this showing is that Sasuke is surprised he went up to the ceiling vs going left, right, back or ducked beneath.
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It'd be like if when someone is hit with a light punch, instead of being like "Ugh!" they jump all over clutching their wound screaming at the top of their lungs. It's a very exaggerated choice.
It was spreading across the room; if Itachi darted to the side it would've followed in his direction, so jumping was the intuitive option.
Him specifically making note of him being on the ceiling does imply that. If it was just that he didn't see Kabuto move, he would've said "I didn't even see him jump to the ceiling," instead of the emphasis being on the location.Why is that more valid or deserving of less scrutiny than simply jumping up over the ability?
That’s why this take is “out of place”. Sasuke is well aware Ninja can jump up and/or stick upside down to surfaces (He’s done it and/or has fought someone who has done it). There is nothing that would justify or support him being “bewildered” or “Taken aback” that Kabuto jumped up over his ability and stuck to the ceiling vs dashing left or right or back or ducking, etc…
Uh...you can believe what you wanna believe, but I know what I believe and I believe that he is commenting on his chosen escape route and not the fact that he was perception blitzed
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Yeah this makes it even less convincing
チィ!天井に･･･!
Chi! The ceiling...!
チィ!天井に･･･!
Chi! The ceiling...!
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Ok…
well if you truly believe that, then I simply disagree with that interpretation as, “in my opinion”, it makes no sense in context to literally everything we know of the series, as well as what the character themselves know within the narrative.I don’t agree that his commenting on Kabuto being on the ceiling is in reference to his escape route when the same could literally be said if he, again, he went left, right, back or ducked below it. I believe the reading of the sequence supports it having been a perception blitz. Even from a narrative pov, why is Sasuke randomly written to be surprised at X Character simply avoiding his attack by jumping up to the ceiling and it never be followed up on outside of that sequence (And no, the Boar Comp. team up w/ Itachi serves to satisfy creating an opening and has nothing to do with his choice of evasion)???
Also, my apologies, the Chidori Stream example was within the Genjutsu. The one I’m most referring to is the Fire-Ball usage. Itachi Opted to jump over it vs Left or Right, when he had less room above to maneuver.
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This doesn’t really support your “specific” view on it tbh, but it does debunk a Perception Blitz.Yeah this makes it even less convincing
チィ!天井に･･･!
Chi! The ceiling...!
MinatoSparkle
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I'll take it
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Really? I think Gaara's sand shield + sand armor would allow him to block Mizuki's shuriken, Temari's wind could move it aside in midair, and Kankuro's poison could put Mizuki down.
Also, I feel like Lee, Neji, and Tenten could do the same, especially due to Neji's Gentle Fist.
Hell, I'm not 100% sure Shino couldn't pull something off while his teammates were fighting, and the only reason I don't bring up Ino-Shika-Cho is his prior knowledge.
MinatoSparkle
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I don't think they're fast enough to block him
Tenten's not doing anything, Neji's likely too slow, and 4th-5th Gate Lee could keep up, but I don't see him doing much if any damage.
Naaaaaaaaaaaah
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Not necessarily, but they have so much space between them
Tenten has Danmaku to put him on the backfoot with covering fire and smokebombs/explosives to disorient him and damge him through heat, Neji has Byakugan and Gentle fist Duraneg, so if he did hit, Mizuki would be fully open to the other ones, and Lee... is Lee.
Mizuki probably ain't got THAT MUCH chakra, plus... he fought at night, so there's a lot of shadows.
MinatoSparkle
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Don't underestimate the power of speedcliffing
Gets blitzed before doing any of that
Sure, but I have him slower than Base Lee, so you can imagine why I don't think his Gentle Fist is gonna have any practical benefits against someone of Mizuki's caliber
Is indeed the best chance they have
Shino: I have a plan, you two will distract him while I-
Mizuki: BLITZ
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Hot take: That is an unorthodox choice of words to convey that thought
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I wanted to distinguish it from NNG lol I feel like Ikemoto has a different MO for powerscaling
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